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Node running on supercaps and a solar panel.

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  • alexsh1A Offline
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    #49

    Another interesting set of graphs (voltage scale is wrong - please ignore):

    This is with signing:
    0_1523542625334_Screenshot (44).png
    This is without signing:
    0_1523542649796_Screenshot (45).png

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      It looks a little irregular to me, doesn't it?

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        It looks a little irregular to me, doesn't it?

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        @gohan Well, the point is that signing does take more tx time. Therefore, voltage does drop upto 0.2-0.3V.

        I am not sure about irregularities though

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          Maybe it has to do with the harvesting chip. My graph looks like a sawtooth from day to day.

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            For this type of comparison, I think you're better off charging up the supercap in a standardized way and then running with the solar panel disconnected. Otherwise, how recently and how long the supercap was charged to full capacity can affect the rate of discharge.

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            • gohanG gohan

              Maybe it has to do with the harvesting chip. My graph looks like a sawtooth from day to day.

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              #54

              @gohan there is no harversting - this is just 30F cap connected to a node.
              I have two setups:

              1. BQ25570 + 2x10F supercaps in series and a small solar panel connected to a node. This is an excellent setup which can last for days without recharging
              2. 30F cap connected directly (initially I tried it via mcp1640) to a different node. The above graphs are from this setup.
                I am re-measuring it them right now as the code was wrong.
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              • alexsh1A alexsh1

                @gohan Well, the point is that signing does take more tx time. Therefore, voltage does drop upto 0.2-0.3V.

                I am not sure about irregularities though

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                @alexsh1 with signing you also get message bursts. Not only is the max size data transmitted for every signed message, two more messages are exchanged; a nonce request (small) and a nonce (big).

                Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                • AnticimexA Anticimex

                  @alexsh1 with signing you also get message bursts. Not only is the max size data transmitted for every signed message, two more messages are exchanged; a nonce request (small) and a nonce (big).

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                  @anticimex said in Node running on supercaps and a solar panel.:

                  @alexsh1 with signing you also get message bursts.

                  That's clearly visible on the graph.

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                  • alexsh1A alexsh1

                    I have got my hands on 30F 2.7V supercapacitor.

                    0_1523113648078_30FSupercap.jpg

                    With it was charged for the first time, it only lasted sending 2583 times (1 time a minute voltage and an 20ms LED pulse and then sleeping; sleeping consumption is 4-5uA). The number is a bit disappointing. It is however connected via boost MCP1640 to provide the node with a stable 3.3V. I may try to get the supercapacitor connected directly to the node to see if I can extract more packets.

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                    @alexsh1 said in Node running on supercaps and a solar panel.:

                    I have got my hands on 30F 2.7V supercapacitor.

                    0_1523113648078_30FSupercap.jpg

                    With it was charged for the first time, it only lasted sending 2583 times (1 time a minute voltage and an 20ms LED pulse and then sleeping; sleeping consumption is 4-5uA). The number is a bit disappointing. It is however connected via boost MCP1640 to provide the node with a stable 3.3V. I may try to get the supercapacitor connected directly to the node to see if I can extract more packets.

                    Supercap connected directly to the node stopped working at 2V.
                    I got about 8949 packets (10ms LED and sent voltage every minute. No signing). It has been running about 6 days.

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                      #58

                      basically you got 3 times packets sent without the booster?

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                      • gohanG gohan

                        basically you got 3 times packets sent without the booster?

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                        @gohan That's correct and I am sure the result is not final

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