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  • dbemowskD dbemowsk

    @Spanners Do you in any way have one leg of the 24V supply connected to low voltage side? Possibly the ground?

    @Spanners said in Irrigation Controller (up to 16 valves with Shift Registers):

    If I shut down the 24VAC power it works great.

    When you have the 24V connected, is it under any load? And, What does this brown wire connect?

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    @dbemowsk

    The 24VAC is completely isolated - it connects to the relays to power solenoids only, common wire like @petewill shows in his video. The other connection for the 24VAC is to the common wire on the solenoids. There's no path from the 24VAC to the Arduino.

    24VAC is only under load when a relay is active and powering a solenoid. It's when a relay opens or closes that the external button interrupt is triggered (about 80% of the time).

    The brown wire is PIN 21 to the external button, the other side of the button is connected to GND. If that wire is disconnected, I don't see the issue - so it's like the start/stop of 24VAC current flow is creating enough magnetic action/induced current or something on the wire and PIN 21 to trigger the interrupt.

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      @dbemowsk

      The 24VAC is completely isolated - it connects to the relays to power solenoids only, common wire like @petewill shows in his video. The other connection for the 24VAC is to the common wire on the solenoids. There's no path from the 24VAC to the Arduino.

      24VAC is only under load when a relay is active and powering a solenoid. It's when a relay opens or closes that the external button interrupt is triggered (about 80% of the time).

      The brown wire is PIN 21 to the external button, the other side of the button is connected to GND. If that wire is disconnected, I don't see the issue - so it's like the start/stop of 24VAC current flow is creating enough magnetic action/induced current or something on the wire and PIN 21 to trigger the interrupt.

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      @Spanners Does the arduino input for the switch (brown wire) have a pull up (or pull down depending on your use case) resistor on it? Something like this:
      0_1511631725978_upload-2a89c2cb-93b3-4cb1-89e5-49d0579fa42e
      If the arduino input is left floating when the button is in an unpressed state, I suppose that induction could possibly cause enough fluctuation to cause it to trip that switch input. The arduino inputs are very sensitive and the brown wire may be acting like an antenna and picking up enough induced current from the 24v side to trip the input. The 24 volts used is typically AC which would affect something like that more than a DC voltage would, so when one of the relays turns on, then you have the AC current flowing which could easily be picked up by your brown wire (the antenna). When you disconnect the brown wire, there is no more antenna to sway the input. Read the first response to this guys question. Pull up/down resistors simply bias that input to a given state (high or low) when no expressed input is given (unpressed switch).

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      • dbemowskD dbemowsk

        @Spanners Does the arduino input for the switch (brown wire) have a pull up (or pull down depending on your use case) resistor on it? Something like this:
        0_1511631725978_upload-2a89c2cb-93b3-4cb1-89e5-49d0579fa42e
        If the arduino input is left floating when the button is in an unpressed state, I suppose that induction could possibly cause enough fluctuation to cause it to trip that switch input. The arduino inputs are very sensitive and the brown wire may be acting like an antenna and picking up enough induced current from the 24v side to trip the input. The 24 volts used is typically AC which would affect something like that more than a DC voltage would, so when one of the relays turns on, then you have the AC current flowing which could easily be picked up by your brown wire (the antenna). When you disconnect the brown wire, there is no more antenna to sway the input. Read the first response to this guys question. Pull up/down resistors simply bias that input to a given state (high or low) when no expressed input is given (unpressed switch).

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        @dbemowsk - you da man. Thanks for the help.

        I was using the internal pull up on the Arduino and it wasn't enough to deal with the interference from the 24VAC. Added a 4.7k resistor to the switch with connection to Vcc as per your diagram and it's now working reliably.

        Also needed to add a repeater node as the rear retic controller sits inside a garden feature that is made from 250mm thick limestone blocks. Comms were a little hit and miss.

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          Hi guys, I’m trying 2 days to compile this sketch for Domoticz. Still getting errors ones from library then from code...
          Can someone share with me his working code for Domoticz in 2.0 version? Thanks a lot

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          • mikeeM mikee

            Hi guys, I’m trying 2 days to compile this sketch for Domoticz. Still getting errors ones from library then from code...
            Can someone share with me his working code for Domoticz in 2.0 version? Thanks a lot

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            @mikee It helps for us to know what errors you are getting.

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              Hi @dbemowsk , Thanks for your reply. I had to reinstall Arduino IDE and all Libraries from my PC. I was fighting with „'POSITIVE' was not declared in this scope“ error, and installed over 6 Libraries for LCD. I got finally working the sketch for Vera from Mysensors/build, at least .
              Unfortunately I’m not able to modify Sketch witch are guys using with Domoticz in this Topic.
              Is there a way to get missing variables into Irrigation controller from domoticz or at least to set them manually in sketch? For me is enough one watering time for all valves.

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              • mikeeM mikee

                Hi @dbemowsk , Thanks for your reply. I had to reinstall Arduino IDE and all Libraries from my PC. I was fighting with „'POSITIVE' was not declared in this scope“ error, and installed over 6 Libraries for LCD. I got finally working the sketch for Vera from Mysensors/build, at least .
                Unfortunately I’m not able to modify Sketch witch are guys using with Domoticz in this Topic.
                Is there a way to get missing variables into Irrigation controller from domoticz or at least to set them manually in sketch? For me is enough one watering time for all valves.

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                @mikee This was actually one of the reasons I switched from Domoticz to a Vera controller a couple years ago. The main issue at the time had to do with the use of V_VAR1 - V_VAR3 which is used to configure the valve names and the valve times. I wanted to have the ability to change the valve times.

                For your situation though, you can modify your Zone names in the code by changing this bit:

                // Name your Zones here or use Vera to edit them by adding a name in Variable3...
                String valveNickName[17] = {
                  "All Zones", "Zone 1", "Zone 2", "Zone 3", "Zone 4", "Zone 5", "Zone 6", "Zone 7", "Zone 8", "Zone 9", "Zone 10", "Zone 11", "Zone 12", "Zone 13", "Zone 14", "Zone 15", "Zone 16"
                };
                

                Depending on the number of zones you have, just change the names in quotes for Zone 1, Zone 2, etc... up to the number of valves that you have.

                I have been told recently though that Domoticz now supports V_VAR(x), but I am not sure how to use it just yet.

                Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                  Hi, my module works with 8 relays but when i try to expand to 16 relays i have an issue. The 2nd register heats up and the pro mini keep restarting / re-initializing. I think i have the wrong connections for the 2nd register. Can anyone help / share what the wiring for the 2nd register should be?

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                  • A annujbhatia

                    Hi, my module works with 8 relays but when i try to expand to 16 relays i have an issue. The 2nd register heats up and the pro mini keep restarting / re-initializing. I think i have the wrong connections for the 2nd register. Can anyone help / share what the wiring for the 2nd register should be?

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                    @mfalkvidd Is this #3 of same question?

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                    • zboblamontZ zboblamont

                      @mfalkvidd Is this #3 of same question?

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                      @zboblamont yes indeed.. If anyone can help @annujbhatia, please post in https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/9434/problem-with-2nd-register-heating instead of here, to keep all information in the same place.

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                      • johnecyJ johnecy

                        I have the irrigation controller all setup and working. I have one problem though as soon as I power it up with 5 volts for the pro mini sometimes one sometimes all the relays come on. If I am not home the water runs all day is there a programing change or a wire change I need to make to stop this. I was using the old wire diagram without the pull up on pin 13 of the 74hc I changed to the new version and added the lines off code but it still does not help.

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                        Hi @johnecy, know it has been a long time from your post, but I have implemented the script recently and am having the same issue that you mentined. please, how do you solve it?

                        @johnecy said in Irrigation Controller (up to 16 valves with Shift Registers):

                        I have the irrigation controller all setup and working. I have one problem though as soon as I power it up with 5 volts for the pro mini sometimes one sometimes all the relays come on. If I am not home the water runs all day is there a programing change or a wire change I need to make to stop this. I was using the old wire diagram without the pull up on pin 13 of the 74hc I changed to the new version and added the lines off code but it still does not help.

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                        • dbemowskD dbemowsk

                          @mikee This was actually one of the reasons I switched from Domoticz to a Vera controller a couple years ago. The main issue at the time had to do with the use of V_VAR1 - V_VAR3 which is used to configure the valve names and the valve times. I wanted to have the ability to change the valve times.

                          For your situation though, you can modify your Zone names in the code by changing this bit:

                          // Name your Zones here or use Vera to edit them by adding a name in Variable3...
                          String valveNickName[17] = {
                            "All Zones", "Zone 1", "Zone 2", "Zone 3", "Zone 4", "Zone 5", "Zone 6", "Zone 7", "Zone 8", "Zone 9", "Zone 10", "Zone 11", "Zone 12", "Zone 13", "Zone 14", "Zone 15", "Zone 16"
                          };
                          

                          Depending on the number of zones you have, just change the names in quotes for Zone 1, Zone 2, etc... up to the number of valves that you have.

                          I have been told recently though that Domoticz now supports V_VAR(x), but I am not sure how to use it just yet.

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                          Hello,

                          I have build the irrigation controler this weekend and just found out that there are some issues using this with domoticz.
                          Is there someone willing to share his customized code to get these zone and time variables working ?

                          Thanks in advance,

                          Edwin

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                            Hello,

                            I have build the irrigation controler this weekend and just found out that there are some issues using this with domoticz.
                            Is there someone willing to share his customized code to get these zone and time variables working ?

                            Thanks in advance,

                            Edwin

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                            @edweather I had a lot of this working in Domoticz years ago. I have since switched to Vera, but here is a link to an old post I had on the subject.
                            https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/153/irrigation-controller-up-to-16-valves-with-shift-registers/216

                            Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                            Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                            • dbemowskD dbemowsk

                              @edweather I had a lot of this working in Domoticz years ago. I have since switched to Vera, but here is a link to an old post I had on the subject.
                              https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/153/irrigation-controller-up-to-16-valves-with-shift-registers/216

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                              @dbemowsk Thank you!

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