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Sensor required to detect PVC insulated COPPER wire

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    bjacobse
    wrote on last edited by bjacobse
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    Or create a metal detector, that will detect every copper wire that passes below the sensor.
    What is important is to ensure a good reliability, so you are getting results that is reliable. Both IR detector and metal detector should be usable for you

    https://circuitdigest.com/microcontroller-projects/arduino-metal-detector-circuit-code/
    https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/projects/metal-detector-with-arduino/

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      kimot
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      Try inductive proximity sensor. It can detect Cooper with 0.25 - 0.5 sensitivity compared to steel. By the way I think we can see one of this on top side of your picture.

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        MrRobots
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        If the copper loop is continuous (it looks like it is), inject a small RF (mW) signal on the wire (at the feed end of the mesh) and place the complement detector under the final end.

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          If the copper loop is continuous (it looks like it is), inject a small RF (mW) signal on the wire (at the feed end of the mesh) and place the complement detector under the final end.

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          yemesvee
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          @mrrobots Thanks for the reply. I don't have much knowledge about injecting RF signal. Please give me more inputs.

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            yemesvee
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            @kimot thanks for the reply. Yes we have tried with 30mm sensing range inductive proximity sensor... It's not working on copper.

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            • Y yemesvee

              @kimot thanks for the reply. Yes we have tried with 30mm sensing range inductive proximity sensor... It's not working on copper.

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              @yemesvee
              Then another approach you can count rotations on one of the drums, add a magnet to the drum, and use a reed relay as sensor.
              then you have to manually calibrate, measure pulses until you have reach 1 loop.
              then re-check count pulses until you have reached 10 loops. just to ensure you have measured correctly.

              you can use this sketch as a start
              https://www.mysensors.org/build/binary

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              • H hard-shovel

                If the mesh moves at constant speed, How about a simple optical IR Sensor (break beam or Reflective), then checking pulse width of signal to detect mesh vs cable. Otherwise synchronize pulse width detection ratio in correlation to mesh speed.

                Similar to this
                0_1543047362376_IMG_4549.JPG

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                yemesvee
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                @hard-shovel Thanks for the reply. The Ir sensor will detect both mesh and copper wire. How to count the no. of copper wire loops?? I don't understand..Can you please elaborate...

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                  @yemesvee
                  Then another approach you can count rotations on one of the drums, add a magnet to the drum, and use a reed relay as sensor.
                  then you have to manually calibrate, measure pulses until you have reach 1 loop.
                  then re-check count pulses until you have reached 10 loops. just to ensure you have measured correctly.

                  you can use this sketch as a start
                  https://www.mysensors.org/build/binary

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                  yemesvee
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                  @bjacobse Thanks for the reply. I want to count no. of copper wire loops only. Because the distance between loops varies.

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                    kimot
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                    Color sensor?

                    color sensor

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                      kimot
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                      But I still think, that using opto detection will be easy possible.

                      For example photo resistor has got large area for receiving light and mesh will not cover it completely.
                      But wire almost does.
                      So signal level from photoresistor differ for mesh and wire and you can measure it by software or set analog comparator trigger level.

                      Experimet with D, L1 and L2

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoresistor

                      1_1546419957383_IMG_20190102_100018.jpg 0_1546419957381_IMG_20190102_095905.jpg

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                        @hard-shovel Thanks for the reply. The Ir sensor will detect both mesh and copper wire. How to count the no. of copper wire loops?? I don't understand..Can you please elaborate...

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                        @yemesvee
                        If using a digital sensor mounted as per Kimot diagram you will receive a pulse stream, check the width of the pulsed to find if mesh or cable.

                        0_1546463575890_Img_4675x.jpg

                        use the function pulseIn to determine the pulse width.

                        
                        
                        The simple example of the time duration of a pulse
                        
                        int SensorPin = 3;
                        unsigned long duration = 0;
                        unsigned long CableDuration = 100;     // Set to suitable value
                        unsigned long CableCount = 0;
                        
                        void setup()
                        {
                          pinMode(SensorPin , INPUT);
                        }
                        
                        void loop()
                        {
                        
                          duration = pulseIn(SensorPin , HIGH);
                          Serial.print("Duration  : ");
                          Serial.println(duration);
                          if (duration >= CableDuration) {
                            ++ CableCount;
                            Serial.print("Cable detection  :");
                            Serial.println(CableCount);
                          }
                        }
                        
                        
                        
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                          @yemesvee
                          If using a digital sensor mounted as per Kimot diagram you will receive a pulse stream, check the width of the pulsed to find if mesh or cable.

                          0_1546463575890_Img_4675x.jpg

                          use the function pulseIn to determine the pulse width.

                          
                          
                          The simple example of the time duration of a pulse
                          
                          int SensorPin = 3;
                          unsigned long duration = 0;
                          unsigned long CableDuration = 100;     // Set to suitable value
                          unsigned long CableCount = 0;
                          
                          void setup()
                          {
                            pinMode(SensorPin , INPUT);
                          }
                          
                          void loop()
                          {
                          
                            duration = pulseIn(SensorPin , HIGH);
                            Serial.print("Duration  : ");
                            Serial.println(duration);
                            if (duration >= CableDuration) {
                              ++ CableCount;
                              Serial.print("Cable detection  :");
                              Serial.println(CableCount);
                            }
                          }
                          
                          
                          
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                          kimot
                          wrote on last edited by kimot
                          #14

                          @hard-shovel
                          But mesh is on other direction too - parallel with movement and sure not still at the same position and pure parallel.
                          So digital signal can be generated longer time than you expected.

                          0_1546467668456_IMG_20190102_231437.jpg

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