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[security] Introducing signing support to MySensors

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  • hekH Offline
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    hek
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    wrote on last edited by
    #179

    @FotoFieber said:

    MY_SIGNING_REQUEST_SIGNATURES

    Let's see how Jenkins feels about this
    https://github.com/mysensors/Arduino/pull/231

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      wrote on last edited by
      #180

      @Anticimex Hello, I found this thread now. I'll ask a few more questions, sorry. This all seems really-really great.

      1. If someone wishes to use TMRh20's RF24Mesh instead of MySensors how would one sign the messages sent with that library? Is is even possible? What should be done to use that functionality?

      2. Also, as I understand it is possible to emulate the ATSHA204A, on what hardware is is possible (on Uno's ATMega too?)?

      3. Is it also possible to use whitelisting with RF24Mesh somehow?

      Again, sorry for any dumb questions and my poor English.

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        @Anticimex Hello, I found this thread now. I'll ask a few more questions, sorry. This all seems really-really great.

        1. If someone wishes to use TMRh20's RF24Mesh instead of MySensors how would one sign the messages sent with that library? Is is even possible? What should be done to use that functionality?

        2. Also, as I understand it is possible to emulate the ATSHA204A, on what hardware is is possible (on Uno's ATMega too?)?

        3. Is it also possible to use whitelisting with RF24Mesh somehow?

        Again, sorry for any dumb questions and my poor English.

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        Anticimex
        Contest Winner
        wrote on last edited by
        #181

        @Avamander

        1. Signing as described in this post is specific to users of the MySensors library. I suppose you could use any rf backend you like but you will need to use the MySensors library to get the nonce exchange and such. Or manually port the signing specifics out from the MySensors library and integrate them into another library. It's all open source.
        2. The software emulated atsha signing backend (for MySensors) is compatible with any Arduino product.
        3. See 1.

        Lastly, there are no dumb questions, only dumb answers :)

        Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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          Silver978
          wrote on last edited by
          #182

          Hello,

          firstly, I must say that you're doing a great job and this section about security is very interesting.
          Sorry, but I want to ask a question: as regards the whitelisting system, how can I add more nodes to the list of the trusted nodes of the gateway?
          The part of code is this:

          [...]
          #ifdef MY_SECURE_NODE_WHITELISTING
          whitelist_entry_t node_whitelist[] = {
            { //I want to add nodes HERE:
              .nodeId = 55, // Just some value, this need to be changed  to the NodeId of the trusted node
              .serial = {0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x05,0x06,0x07,0x08,0x09} } // This need to change to the serial of the trusted node
          };
          MySigningAtsha204 signer(true, 1, node_whitelist);  // Select ATSHA204A software signing backend with one entry in the whitelist
          [...]
          

          but the gateway continue to fail the verification of the trusted nodes that I inserted.

          To sum up, how can I add more nodeIDs and serials in addition to the number "55" presented in the example of the code?

          Thank you very much in advance,
          Silver978

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          • S Silver978

            Hello,

            firstly, I must say that you're doing a great job and this section about security is very interesting.
            Sorry, but I want to ask a question: as regards the whitelisting system, how can I add more nodes to the list of the trusted nodes of the gateway?
            The part of code is this:

            [...]
            #ifdef MY_SECURE_NODE_WHITELISTING
            whitelist_entry_t node_whitelist[] = {
              { //I want to add nodes HERE:
                .nodeId = 55, // Just some value, this need to be changed  to the NodeId of the trusted node
                .serial = {0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x05,0x06,0x07,0x08,0x09} } // This need to change to the serial of the trusted node
            };
            MySigningAtsha204 signer(true, 1, node_whitelist);  // Select ATSHA204A software signing backend with one entry in the whitelist
            [...]
            

            but the gateway continue to fail the verification of the trusted nodes that I inserted.

            To sum up, how can I add more nodeIDs and serials in addition to the number "55" presented in the example of the code?

            Thank you very much in advance,
            Silver978

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            Anticimex
            Contest Winner
            wrote on last edited by Anticimex
            #183

            @Silver978 Thanks!
            Try something like this:

            whitelist_entry_t node_whitelist[] = {
              {
                .nodeId = 55, // Just some value, this need to be changed  to the NodeId of the trusted node
                .serial = {0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x05,0x06,0x07,0x08,0x09} // This need to change to the serial of the trusted node
              },
              {
                .nodeId = 56, // Just some value, this need to be changed  to the NodeId of the trusted node
                .serial = {0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x05,0x06,0x07,0x08,0x09} // This need to change to the serial of the trusted node
              },
              {
                .nodeId = 57, // Just some value, this need to be changed  to the NodeId of the trusted node
                .serial = {0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x05,0x06,0x07,0x08,0x09} // This need to change to the serial of the trusted node
              }
            };
            MySigningAtsha204 signer(true, 3, node_whitelist);  // Select ATSHA204A software signing backend with three entries in the whitelist
            
            

            Note the changed argument in the constructor (3 and not 1)

            Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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              Silver978
              wrote on last edited by
              #184

              @Anticimex I tried also this syntax but I haven't changed the argument of the signer, so that number indicates how many nodes the gateway must trust?
              Thank you!

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              • S Silver978

                @Anticimex I tried also this syntax but I haven't changed the argument of the signer, so that number indicates how many nodes the gateway must trust?
                Thank you!

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                Anticimex
                Contest Winner
                wrote on last edited by
                #185

                @Silver978 The number gives the number of entries in the whitelist the backend is expected to iterate over. Having a number for this allows the use of a potenitally very large whitelist but where "uninteresting" entries to this particular node can be ignored by having them last in the list and make sure the number does not cover those entries when searching the list.

                Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                  Silver978
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #186

                  @Anticimex Perfect, understood! Very good explanation and super-fast support, fantastic :)
                  Thank you very much again!

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                  • S Silver978

                    @Anticimex Perfect, understood! Very good explanation and super-fast support, fantastic :)
                    Thank you very much again!

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                    Anticimex
                    Contest Winner
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #187

                    @Silver978 :+1:

                    Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                      wrote on last edited by siod
                      #188

                      I would like to add security to my sensor network as well so I am very glad I found your thread. Your explanation are very detailed but I´m a guy who needs more practical examples. For example I would like to know, where exactly I have to activate this. I am using an arduino as an MQTT to Ethernet gateway and Mosquitto running on a raspberry pi. So all I have to do is activate the soft version in Myconfig.h, if not already activated, set a serial, re-upload to my arduino gateway and that´s it? I guess the Nodes have to get flashed again to get the serials as well, right?

                      still learning...

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                      • siodS siod

                        I would like to add security to my sensor network as well so I am very glad I found your thread. Your explanation are very detailed but I´m a guy who needs more practical examples. For example I would like to know, where exactly I have to activate this. I am using an arduino as an MQTT to Ethernet gateway and Mosquitto running on a raspberry pi. So all I have to do is activate the soft version in Myconfig.h, if not already activated, set a serial, re-upload to my arduino gateway and that´s it? I guess the Nodes have to get flashed again to get the serials as well, right?

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                        Anticimex
                        Contest Winner
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #189

                        @siod correct. You have to activate signing in both ends. The serial numbers you only need of you want to use whitelisting which is a bit more complex to set up. At the very least, for software signing, you need to enable it, have an unconnected analog pin on your boards, and set a hmac key.

                        Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                          Anticimex
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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #190

                          EDIT: Topic post updates with a documentation link for those using the development branch.

                          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                            #191

                            Great topic as usual. I have a question please.

                            You mentioned "Because it is pure-software however, it does not provide as good nonces (it uses the Arduino pseudo-random generator) and the HMAC key is stored in SW and is therefore readable if the memory is dumped. "

                            Isn't this case also dangerous if the node which contains ATSHA chip was stolen ? The attacker will use the chip to be on the network ?

                            Thanks.

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                            • ahmedadelhosniA ahmedadelhosni

                              Great topic as usual. I have a question please.

                              You mentioned "Because it is pure-software however, it does not provide as good nonces (it uses the Arduino pseudo-random generator) and the HMAC key is stored in SW and is therefore readable if the memory is dumped. "

                              Isn't this case also dangerous if the node which contains ATSHA chip was stolen ? The attacker will use the chip to be on the network ?

                              Thanks.

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                              Anticimex
                              Contest Winner
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #192

                              @ahmedadelhosni thanks!
                              Correct. That is why I also implemented whitelisting and node revocation. It's all described in the topic (and for development branch in doxygen, linked in the topic).

                              Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                @ahmedadelhosni thanks!
                                Correct. That is why I also implemented whitelisting and node revocation. It's all described in the topic (and for development branch in doxygen, linked in the topic).

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                                ahmedadelhosni
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                                #193

                                @Anticimex Thanks.

                                So this gets me to my next question :)

                                What I understood is that if I use whitelisting, I need to know the node ID of my sensor door to define it in the GW, correct ?
                                I guess the below code is in the GW.

                                whitelist_entry_t node_whitelist[] = {
                                  { .nodeId = 55, // Just some value, this need to be changed  to the NodeId of the trusted node
                                    .serial = {0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x05,0x06,0x07,0x08,0x09} } // This need to change to the serial of the trusted node
                                };
                                

                                another question, If I want to remove this node, do I have to reflash the GW and remove it ?

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #194

                                  Yes.

                                  Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                    Yes.

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                                    ahmedadelhosni
                                    wrote on last edited by ahmedadelhosni
                                    #195

                                    @Anticimex mmmm
                                    Can't it be implemented in a way so that whitelist is to be defined by the controller ?
                                    For example, an internal message to be used to set the data.

                                    My concern is that auto assignation of nodes is flexible but at the same time you may need to choose which sensor node to be added to your whitelist. Thus if a Controller can show you all your nodes, like vera or domoticz, I guess this option can be added to the plugin to send an internal message to the GW to choose which sensor node to be added.

                                    Am I saying something logic ? :)

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                                      Anticimex
                                      Contest Winner
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                                      #196

                                      Possibly. But that would mean that security features is dictaded by the controller plugins and I do not like that at all.

                                      For months I have been trying to convince the Domoticz people that their ACK timeout is way to short and needs to be configurable for signing to work with Domoticz, but they do not even reply to me.

                                      And I do not trust controllers at all and want to have full control over all configuration aspects of the signing solution. So I do not think it is good to move that logic off the nodes (whitelisting can also be used by a node, communicating with another node).

                                      It is not only a GW that can have a whitelist. So although it might have been flexible to have it configurable, I think it compromises security (who knows, your controller could be hacked to inject a whitelist that permits a rogue node in your network).

                                      Of course, security is at some level compromised anyway if the controller is hacked. But it is not the signing solution that is compromised in this case.

                                      And ultimately, that feature would mean that the level of signing security and signing features for MySensors, becomes controller specific. And that I do not think is a good idea. If I want to change or improve the feature, the controller plugins all also have to be updated. It just becomes a too big turnaround for something as important as this in my opinion.

                                      Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                        #197

                                        Yeah I got your point of view and convinced me. The only solution to implement this is that other communities works together to improve flexibility and security. This is not that easy of course as you have said.

                                        Thanks a lot for your time.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #198

                                          Thanks for understanding :)

                                          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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