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[security] Introducing signing support to MySensors

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  • AnticimexA Anticimex

    @alexsh1 Ok, well Arduino IDE sucks totally.

    You can mix ATSHA204A and soft signing as much as you like. But for any two nodes to exchange signed data the HMAC keys have to be identical.
    Yes, you can store a HMAC key in both ATSHA204A and EEPROM. These can be different if you like (and I recommend they are as the EEPROM can be dumped if the node falls into the wrong hands).
    However, if you want that node to communicate signed data to another node, that node must use a matching HMAC key.
    SOFT_KEY is the HMAC key stored in EEPROM, it must not be unique for every device. If it is, no device will be able to sign data to any other node and expect that node to accept that data.
    SOFT_SERIAL on the other hand, must be unique to serve any useful purpose for whitelisting. If you use the ATSHA204A, the serial fused in the device will be used and that cannot be changed, and is according to Atmel, unique.

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    @Anticimex Ok, but is there a reason why one would have HMAC key in both ATSHA204a and EEPROM?

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    • alexsh1A alexsh1

      @Anticimex Ok, but is there a reason why one would have HMAC key in both ATSHA204a and EEPROM?

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      Anticimex
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      @alexsh1 no, not really. If you have a atsha204a the only reason to not use it would be performance. Software signing executes slightly faster due to the single write protocol of the atsha.

      Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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      • AnticimexA Anticimex

        @alexsh1 no, not really. If you have a atsha204a the only reason to not use it would be performance. Software signing executes slightly faster due to the single write protocol of the atsha.

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        @Anticimex Thanks very much for your help - I must admit it was a bit of a challenge to jump straight away from a stable 1.5.4 to 2.0 beta

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        • alexsh1A alexsh1

          @Anticimex Thanks very much for your help - I must admit it was a bit of a challenge to jump straight away from a stable 1.5.4 to 2.0 beta

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          @alexsh1 yes there have been a lot of changes but hopefully they are perceived as improvements. Feedback on signing usability is always welcome :)

          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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          • AnticimexA Anticimex

            @alexsh1 yes there have been a lot of changes but hopefully they are perceived as improvements. Feedback on signing usability is always welcome :)

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            @Anticimex BTW, is signing compatible between 1.5.4 and 2.0b?

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            • alexsh1A alexsh1

              @Anticimex BTW, is signing compatible between 1.5.4 and 2.0b?

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              @alexsh1 no, it is not

              Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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              • AnticimexA Anticimex

                @alexsh1 no, it is not

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                @Anticimex Right, this is why I am not able to sign 1.5.4 nodes with 2.0b GW.
                In fact when I inserted #define MY_SIGNING_REQUEST_SIGNATURES into the GW code, some nodes stopped working and I think it has to be with signing as GW is throwing a lot of messages that signing failed.

                Bottom line is that I need to upgrade pretty much all sensors :-(

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                • alexsh1A alexsh1

                  @Anticimex Right, this is why I am not able to sign 1.5.4 nodes with 2.0b GW.
                  In fact when I inserted #define MY_SIGNING_REQUEST_SIGNATURES into the GW code, some nodes stopped working and I think it has to be with signing as GW is throwing a lot of messages that signing failed.

                  Bottom line is that I need to upgrade pretty much all sensors :-(

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                  @alexsh1 yes, Unfortunately. But it is a huge release upcoming. And a major version step, hence the incompatibilities. Hopefully, the changes made will make it easier to do future maintenance.

                  Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                    Hi. Is there any difference in using RFM69? Signing is supported using that radio? Thanks

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                    • C cingolanifede

                      Hi. Is there any difference in using RFM69? Signing is supported using that radio? Thanks

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                      @cingolanifede signing has nothing to to with which radio you choose so yes. It supports any transport, but to my knowledge it has only been actually tested with nrf24 and rfm69.

                      Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                        @Anticimex I must admit that signing is working really-really nicely on my custom made nodes (Soft sign and ATSHA204A)

                        Apart from a small issue with the sensebender, which I believe is not a signing issue, it is working like a charm. All credit to you! Thank you

                        Starting sensor (RNNNAS, 2.0.0-beta)
                        Radio init successful.
                        HTU21D Sensor1.1 - Online!
                        isMetric: 1
                        TempDiff :1098.00
                        HumDiff  :136.75
                        T: 998.00
                        H: 36.75
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:998.0
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:36.7
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=2,c=1,t=38,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:3.29
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:106
                        Signing required
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:
                        Waiting for GW to send signing preferences...
                        Skipping security for command 3 type 15
                        read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0:
                        Mark node 0 as one that do not require signed messages
                        Mark node 0 as one that do not require whitelisting
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=10,sg=0,st=ok:2.0.0-beta
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:0
                        Skipping security for command 3 type 16
                        read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
                        Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
                        SHA256: 2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FE00000000000000
                        Transmittng nonce
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FE
                        Signature in message: 01C31110DAE29D5DCD3771F68B6F29B5CCCF43A3D5397CC8
                        Message to process: 00050E0306FF4D
                        Current nonce: 2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
                        HMAC: 0CC31110DAE29D5DCD3771F68B6F29B5CCCF43A3D5397CC89A82A89D87E931B8
                        Signature OK
                        read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=0,l=1,sg=0:M
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=24,sg=0,st=ok:Temp/Hum Sensor - HTU21D
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,st=ok:1.1
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=2,c=0,t=13,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                        Init complete, id=5, parent=0, distance=1
                        TempDiff :971.94
                        HumDiff  :0.02
                        T: 26.06
                        H: 36.72
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:26.1
                        send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:36.7
                        
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                        • alexsh1A alexsh1

                          @Anticimex I must admit that signing is working really-really nicely on my custom made nodes (Soft sign and ATSHA204A)

                          Apart from a small issue with the sensebender, which I believe is not a signing issue, it is working like a charm. All credit to you! Thank you

                          Starting sensor (RNNNAS, 2.0.0-beta)
                          Radio init successful.
                          HTU21D Sensor1.1 - Online!
                          isMetric: 1
                          TempDiff :1098.00
                          HumDiff  :136.75
                          T: 998.00
                          H: 36.75
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:998.0
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:36.7
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=2,c=1,t=38,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:3.29
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:106
                          Signing required
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:
                          Waiting for GW to send signing preferences...
                          Skipping security for command 3 type 15
                          read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0:
                          Mark node 0 as one that do not require signed messages
                          Mark node 0 as one that do not require whitelisting
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=10,sg=0,st=ok:2.0.0-beta
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:0
                          Skipping security for command 3 type 16
                          read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
                          Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
                          SHA256: 2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FE00000000000000
                          Transmittng nonce
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FE
                          Signature in message: 01C31110DAE29D5DCD3771F68B6F29B5CCCF43A3D5397CC8
                          Message to process: 00050E0306FF4D
                          Current nonce: 2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
                          HMAC: 0CC31110DAE29D5DCD3771F68B6F29B5CCCF43A3D5397CC89A82A89D87E931B8
                          Signature OK
                          read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=0,l=1,sg=0:M
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=24,sg=0,st=ok:Temp/Hum Sensor - HTU21D
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,st=ok:1.1
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=2,c=0,t=13,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                          Init complete, id=5, parent=0, distance=1
                          TempDiff :971.94
                          HumDiff  :0.02
                          T: 26.06
                          H: 36.72
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:26.1
                          send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:36.7
                          
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                          Anticimex
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                          @alexsh1 I'm really glad to hear that. Thank you! Glad that signing is being used and is perceived as something not to complicated to bother with. It sets us apart from many other projects dealing with the same thing :)

                          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                            @alexsh1 I'm really glad to hear that. Thank you! Glad that signing is being used and is perceived as something not to complicated to bother with. It sets us apart from many other projects dealing with the same thing :)

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                            @Anticimex I did not say it was not complicated :)
                            Just kidding - speaking just for myself, it did require some time investment to understand the concept and then upgrading my gateway and my nodes (I am still in the process of rolling signing across the rest of my nodes) to MySensors 2.0b. I probably spent more time upgrading MySensors lib and breaking some hardware in the meantime (the SMA connector on the nrf24l01+ PA+LNA) than the actual signing.

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                            • alexsh1A alexsh1

                              @Anticimex I did not say it was not complicated :)
                              Just kidding - speaking just for myself, it did require some time investment to understand the concept and then upgrading my gateway and my nodes (I am still in the process of rolling signing across the rest of my nodes) to MySensors 2.0b. I probably spent more time upgrading MySensors lib and breaking some hardware in the meantime (the SMA connector on the nrf24l01+ PA+LNA) than the actual signing.

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                              @alexsh1 yeah, well if there is room for improvement in the documentation then feel free to help put with suggestions if there is anything unclear about that :) I use doxygen to document signing features, and a link is available on the GitHub "front-page" (the readme.md)

                              Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                              • AnticimexA Anticimex

                                @alexsh1 yeah, well if there is room for improvement in the documentation then feel free to help put with suggestions if there is anything unclear about that :) I use doxygen to document signing features, and a link is available on the GitHub "front-page" (the readme.md)

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                                @Anticimex I think a noob's section would be good. Having said that, the point is that signing is not something beginners should touch. What do you think?

                                How about a section on the web-site? Somewhere here - https://www.mysensors.org/build/

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                                • alexsh1A alexsh1

                                  @Anticimex I think a noob's section would be good. Having said that, the point is that signing is not something beginners should touch. What do you think?

                                  How about a section on the web-site? Somewhere here - https://www.mysensors.org/build/

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                                  @alexsh1 hm, yeah, perhaps something for @hek to consider. At least a link to the signing section of the doxygen docs could be placed there. I have tried to make the documentation as step-by-step friendly as I can. That said, as I also did the actual implementation, I may well be blind for certain aspects I take for granted that a "novice" does not.

                                  Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                    The next release of the main site will be much more flexible and integrated with openhardware-added projects. The idea is to allow community members to maintain their projects and/or "articles" themselves. The how-to for signing is a good example of an article.

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                                      Fabien
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                                      This tutorial is up to date for 2.0 release ?

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                                      • F Fabien

                                        This tutorial is up to date for 2.0 release ?

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                                        @Fabien Yes, top post is now updated for 2.0.0. Documentation is in doxygen.

                                        Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                          #276

                                          Thank you @Anticimex I will update my network soon and had RFM69 Encryption too.

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