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[security] Introducing signing support to MySensors

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  • AnticimexA Anticimex

    @alexsh1 no, not really. If you have a atsha204a the only reason to not use it would be performance. Software signing executes slightly faster due to the single write protocol of the atsha.

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    alexsh1
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    @Anticimex Thanks very much for your help - I must admit it was a bit of a challenge to jump straight away from a stable 1.5.4 to 2.0 beta

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    • alexsh1A alexsh1

      @Anticimex Thanks very much for your help - I must admit it was a bit of a challenge to jump straight away from a stable 1.5.4 to 2.0 beta

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      Anticimex
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      @alexsh1 yes there have been a lot of changes but hopefully they are perceived as improvements. Feedback on signing usability is always welcome :)

      Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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      • AnticimexA Anticimex

        @alexsh1 yes there have been a lot of changes but hopefully they are perceived as improvements. Feedback on signing usability is always welcome :)

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        @Anticimex BTW, is signing compatible between 1.5.4 and 2.0b?

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        • alexsh1A alexsh1

          @Anticimex BTW, is signing compatible between 1.5.4 and 2.0b?

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          @alexsh1 no, it is not

          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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          • AnticimexA Anticimex

            @alexsh1 no, it is not

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            @Anticimex Right, this is why I am not able to sign 1.5.4 nodes with 2.0b GW.
            In fact when I inserted #define MY_SIGNING_REQUEST_SIGNATURES into the GW code, some nodes stopped working and I think it has to be with signing as GW is throwing a lot of messages that signing failed.

            Bottom line is that I need to upgrade pretty much all sensors :-(

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            • alexsh1A alexsh1

              @Anticimex Right, this is why I am not able to sign 1.5.4 nodes with 2.0b GW.
              In fact when I inserted #define MY_SIGNING_REQUEST_SIGNATURES into the GW code, some nodes stopped working and I think it has to be with signing as GW is throwing a lot of messages that signing failed.

              Bottom line is that I need to upgrade pretty much all sensors :-(

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              @alexsh1 yes, Unfortunately. But it is a huge release upcoming. And a major version step, hence the incompatibilities. Hopefully, the changes made will make it easier to do future maintenance.

              Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                cingolanifede
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                #265

                Hi. Is there any difference in using RFM69? Signing is supported using that radio? Thanks

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                • C cingolanifede

                  Hi. Is there any difference in using RFM69? Signing is supported using that radio? Thanks

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                  Anticimex
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                  @cingolanifede signing has nothing to to with which radio you choose so yes. It supports any transport, but to my knowledge it has only been actually tested with nrf24 and rfm69.

                  Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                    #267

                    @Anticimex I must admit that signing is working really-really nicely on my custom made nodes (Soft sign and ATSHA204A)

                    Apart from a small issue with the sensebender, which I believe is not a signing issue, it is working like a charm. All credit to you! Thank you

                    Starting sensor (RNNNAS, 2.0.0-beta)
                    Radio init successful.
                    HTU21D Sensor1.1 - Online!
                    isMetric: 1
                    TempDiff :1098.00
                    HumDiff  :136.75
                    T: 998.00
                    H: 36.75
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:998.0
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:36.7
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=2,c=1,t=38,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:3.29
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:106
                    Signing required
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:
                    Waiting for GW to send signing preferences...
                    Skipping security for command 3 type 15
                    read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0:
                    Mark node 0 as one that do not require signed messages
                    Mark node 0 as one that do not require whitelisting
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=10,sg=0,st=ok:2.0.0-beta
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:0
                    Skipping security for command 3 type 16
                    read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
                    Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
                    SHA256: 2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FE00000000000000
                    Transmittng nonce
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FE
                    Signature in message: 01C31110DAE29D5DCD3771F68B6F29B5CCCF43A3D5397CC8
                    Message to process: 00050E0306FF4D
                    Current nonce: 2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
                    HMAC: 0CC31110DAE29D5DCD3771F68B6F29B5CCCF43A3D5397CC89A82A89D87E931B8
                    Signature OK
                    read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=0,l=1,sg=0:M
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=24,sg=0,st=ok:Temp/Hum Sensor - HTU21D
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,st=ok:1.1
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=2,c=0,t=13,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                    Init complete, id=5, parent=0, distance=1
                    TempDiff :971.94
                    HumDiff  :0.02
                    T: 26.06
                    H: 36.72
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:26.1
                    send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:36.7
                    
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                    • alexsh1A alexsh1

                      @Anticimex I must admit that signing is working really-really nicely on my custom made nodes (Soft sign and ATSHA204A)

                      Apart from a small issue with the sensebender, which I believe is not a signing issue, it is working like a charm. All credit to you! Thank you

                      Starting sensor (RNNNAS, 2.0.0-beta)
                      Radio init successful.
                      HTU21D Sensor1.1 - Online!
                      isMetric: 1
                      TempDiff :1098.00
                      HumDiff  :136.75
                      T: 998.00
                      H: 36.75
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:998.0
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:36.7
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=2,c=1,t=38,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:3.29
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:106
                      Signing required
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:
                      Waiting for GW to send signing preferences...
                      Skipping security for command 3 type 15
                      read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0:
                      Mark node 0 as one that do not require signed messages
                      Mark node 0 as one that do not require whitelisting
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=10,sg=0,st=ok:2.0.0-beta
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:0
                      Skipping security for command 3 type 16
                      read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
                      Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
                      SHA256: 2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FE00000000000000
                      Transmittng nonce
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FE
                      Signature in message: 01C31110DAE29D5DCD3771F68B6F29B5CCCF43A3D5397CC8
                      Message to process: 00050E0306FF4D
                      Current nonce: 2C4A871ACCAE26760F41E547DD39B7B816FE22EEBCD8DFA2FEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
                      HMAC: 0CC31110DAE29D5DCD3771F68B6F29B5CCCF43A3D5397CC89A82A89D87E931B8
                      Signature OK
                      read: 0-0-5 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=0,l=1,sg=0:M
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=24,sg=0,st=ok:Temp/Hum Sensor - HTU21D
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,st=ok:1.1
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=2,c=0,t=13,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
                      Init complete, id=5, parent=0, distance=1
                      TempDiff :971.94
                      HumDiff  :0.02
                      T: 26.06
                      H: 36.72
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:26.1
                      send: 5-5-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:36.7
                      
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                      Anticimex
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                      @alexsh1 I'm really glad to hear that. Thank you! Glad that signing is being used and is perceived as something not to complicated to bother with. It sets us apart from many other projects dealing with the same thing :)

                      Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                      • AnticimexA Anticimex

                        @alexsh1 I'm really glad to hear that. Thank you! Glad that signing is being used and is perceived as something not to complicated to bother with. It sets us apart from many other projects dealing with the same thing :)

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                        alexsh1
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                        #269

                        @Anticimex I did not say it was not complicated :)
                        Just kidding - speaking just for myself, it did require some time investment to understand the concept and then upgrading my gateway and my nodes (I am still in the process of rolling signing across the rest of my nodes) to MySensors 2.0b. I probably spent more time upgrading MySensors lib and breaking some hardware in the meantime (the SMA connector on the nrf24l01+ PA+LNA) than the actual signing.

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                        • alexsh1A alexsh1

                          @Anticimex I did not say it was not complicated :)
                          Just kidding - speaking just for myself, it did require some time investment to understand the concept and then upgrading my gateway and my nodes (I am still in the process of rolling signing across the rest of my nodes) to MySensors 2.0b. I probably spent more time upgrading MySensors lib and breaking some hardware in the meantime (the SMA connector on the nrf24l01+ PA+LNA) than the actual signing.

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                          Anticimex
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                          @alexsh1 yeah, well if there is room for improvement in the documentation then feel free to help put with suggestions if there is anything unclear about that :) I use doxygen to document signing features, and a link is available on the GitHub "front-page" (the readme.md)

                          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                          • AnticimexA Anticimex

                            @alexsh1 yeah, well if there is room for improvement in the documentation then feel free to help put with suggestions if there is anything unclear about that :) I use doxygen to document signing features, and a link is available on the GitHub "front-page" (the readme.md)

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                            alexsh1
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                            @Anticimex I think a noob's section would be good. Having said that, the point is that signing is not something beginners should touch. What do you think?

                            How about a section on the web-site? Somewhere here - https://www.mysensors.org/build/

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                            • alexsh1A alexsh1

                              @Anticimex I think a noob's section would be good. Having said that, the point is that signing is not something beginners should touch. What do you think?

                              How about a section on the web-site? Somewhere here - https://www.mysensors.org/build/

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                              @alexsh1 hm, yeah, perhaps something for @hek to consider. At least a link to the signing section of the doxygen docs could be placed there. I have tried to make the documentation as step-by-step friendly as I can. That said, as I also did the actual implementation, I may well be blind for certain aspects I take for granted that a "novice" does not.

                              Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                #273

                                The next release of the main site will be much more flexible and integrated with openhardware-added projects. The idea is to allow community members to maintain their projects and/or "articles" themselves. The how-to for signing is a good example of an article.

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                                  Fabien
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                                  #274

                                  This tutorial is up to date for 2.0 release ?

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                                  • F Fabien

                                    This tutorial is up to date for 2.0 release ?

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                                    @Fabien Yes, top post is now updated for 2.0.0. Documentation is in doxygen.

                                    Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                      Fabien
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                                      #276

                                      Thank you @Anticimex I will update my network soon and had RFM69 Encryption too.

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                                        #277

                                        Trying this:
                                        https://www.mysensors.org/build/raspberry

                                        How do I enable signing and give the gateway the serial, hmac and aes-key when running on Linux? (rPi).

                                        Edit: Pin 7 as random number generator maybe need some change?

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                                        • NiklasON NiklasO

                                          Trying this:
                                          https://www.mysensors.org/build/raspberry

                                          How do I enable signing and give the gateway the serial, hmac and aes-key when running on Linux? (rPi).

                                          Edit: Pin 7 as random number generator maybe need some change?

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                                          @NiklasO @marceloaqno is working on this.

                                          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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