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  • korttomaK Offline
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    korttoma
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    #2

    I had similar behavior when I accidentally feed 5V to the NRF24L01+ so my guess is a power issue like in most cases. Check the voltage on the NRF24L01+.

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    • korttomaK korttoma

      I had similar behavior when I accidentally feed 5V to the NRF24L01+ so my guess is a power issue like in most cases. Check the voltage on the NRF24L01+.

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      ferpando
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      #3

      @korttoma
      Yes I did check the power but maybe is a defective module?
      It only happens when not connected to the console, so it's hard to track down

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      • MagiskeM Offline
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        What are you powering it with ?? 5v usb or battery ??

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        • AWIA Offline
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          #5

          It happened frequently to me when using relays (inductive load). Spikes on the powerline can easily freeze the radio.

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          • GuyPG Offline
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            Can you give more details of what your node is? what hardware have you used? do you have a circuit diagram?

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            • MagiskeM Magiske

              What are you powering it with ?? 5v usb or battery ??

              ferpandoF Offline
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              ferpando
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              #7

              @Magiske
              12V power supply

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              • AWIA AWI

                It happened frequently to me when using relays (inductive load). Spikes on the powerline can easily freeze the radio.

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                @AWI
                Relays are isolated using opto-couplers so it should`t be a problem.
                The relay board is this or very similar:

                http://www.ebay.com/itm/Durable-New-16-Channel-12V-Relay-Module-Interface-Board-For-Arduino-PIC-ARM-DSP-/331477749403

                Power goes to the relay board and then it powers the arduino

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                • MagiskeM Offline
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                  And you have added a cap for the radio ?
                  Try to add a blink, just to see if the board crashed/freezes. If not it's properly the radio.

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                  • GuyPG GuyP

                    Can you give more details of what your node is? what hardware have you used? do you have a circuit diagram?

                    ferpandoF Offline
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                    @GuyP
                    sorry no diagram, but the node is basically an arduino with radio connected to this relay board

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                    • MagiskeM Magiske

                      And you have added a cap for the radio ?
                      Try to add a blink, just to see if the board crashed/freezes. If not it's properly the radio.

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                      ferpando
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                      @Magiske
                      Yes it has a cap on the radio.
                      What do you mean by add a blink?

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                      • MagiskeM Offline
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                        wrote on last edited by Magiske
                        #12

                        Just add blink code or add an ekstra led to see if the code is running..

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                        • MagiskeM Magiske

                          Just add blink code or add an ekstra led to see if the code is running..

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                          ferpando
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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          @Magiske
                          Ok got it.
                          I have a led on board, so I'll make it blink to see if it is still alive

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                          • ferpandoF ferpando

                            @AWI
                            Relays are isolated using opto-couplers so it should`t be a problem.
                            The relay board is this or very similar:

                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/Durable-New-16-Channel-12V-Relay-Module-Interface-Board-For-Arduino-PIC-ARM-DSP-/331477749403

                            Power goes to the relay board and then it powers the arduino

                            AWIA Offline
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                            @ferpando The optocoupler takes care of the load on the Arduino outputs. What I tried to say is that the inductive load of the relays on the power lines can be substantiall. I there is any sharing of power (same supply) of the relay and the radio it is very hard to avoid lock-ups.

                            below an excerpt from Jeelabs
                            upload-17c0f15c-c9de-4b00-9e21-80017497b551

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                            • AWIA AWI

                              @ferpando The optocoupler takes care of the load on the Arduino outputs. What I tried to say is that the inductive load of the relays on the power lines can be substantiall. I there is any sharing of power (same supply) of the relay and the radio it is very hard to avoid lock-ups.

                              below an excerpt from Jeelabs
                              upload-17c0f15c-c9de-4b00-9e21-80017497b551

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                              ferpando
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                              wrote on last edited by ferpando
                              #15

                              @AWI
                              I don't have an oscilloscope to test this.
                              I'll try to power both devices separately, but at least they always have a common ground. Could this also affect the radio?
                              Adding some capacitors could improve things?

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                              • AWIA Offline
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                                @ferpando A common ground is ok (and necessary).. A capacitor can improve things. Many times it is trial & error. What worked for me is having a seperate regulator and decoupling capacitor of 470uF for the feed to the relay. It is hard to read the schematic of the relay board on e-bay but measures like a diode over the relay-coil need to be in (and probably are). Switching inductive loads with the relay can also introduce EM problems.

                                It's science... using Solid State relays is a long term reliable (short term expensive) alternative. ... good luck, there may be experts around on the forum.

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                                • AWIA AWI

                                  @ferpando A common ground is ok (and necessary).. A capacitor can improve things. Many times it is trial & error. What worked for me is having a seperate regulator and decoupling capacitor of 470uF for the feed to the relay. It is hard to read the schematic of the relay board on e-bay but measures like a diode over the relay-coil need to be in (and probably are). Switching inductive loads with the relay can also introduce EM problems.

                                  It's science... using Solid State relays is a long term reliable (short term expensive) alternative. ... good luck, there may be experts around on the forum.

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #17

                                  @AWI
                                  Looks like it has a regulator and a 1000uF capacitor plus a smaller one.
                                  I'll try to add a second regulator with capacitor just for the arduino and see what happens

                                  image.jpg

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                                  • ferpandoF ferpando

                                    @AWI
                                    Looks like it has a regulator and a 1000uF capacitor plus a smaller one.
                                    I'll try to add a second regulator with capacitor just for the arduino and see what happens

                                    image.jpg

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                                    #18

                                    @ferpando That certainly looks like a power supply. Please keep me informed.

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                                      TimO
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                                      I have exactly the same Problem. But I'm not sure the relays are the problem.
                                      I've added a keep alive message to know when it stops working and implemented a watchdog.

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                                      • T TimO

                                        I have exactly the same Problem. But I'm not sure the relays are the problem.
                                        I've added a keep alive message to know when it stops working and implemented a watchdog.

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                                        #20

                                        @TimO
                                        Could you elaborate a bit more about the watchdog?

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                                        • ferpandoF ferpando

                                          @TimO
                                          Could you elaborate a bit more about the watchdog?

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                                          wrote on last edited by Magiske
                                          #21

                                          @ferpando You can enable a watchdog timer on your Arduino. If your code hangs your Arduino, it should reset/reboot it. But not sure that would reset the radio.

                                          Found good description -> http://www.megunolink.com/how-to-detect-lockups-using-the-arduino-watchdog/

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