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  • AWIA Offline
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    AWI
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    @ferpando A common ground is ok (and necessary).. A capacitor can improve things. Many times it is trial & error. What worked for me is having a seperate regulator and decoupling capacitor of 470uF for the feed to the relay. It is hard to read the schematic of the relay board on e-bay but measures like a diode over the relay-coil need to be in (and probably are). Switching inductive loads with the relay can also introduce EM problems.

    It's science... using Solid State relays is a long term reliable (short term expensive) alternative. ... good luck, there may be experts around on the forum.

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    • AWIA AWI

      @ferpando A common ground is ok (and necessary).. A capacitor can improve things. Many times it is trial & error. What worked for me is having a seperate regulator and decoupling capacitor of 470uF for the feed to the relay. It is hard to read the schematic of the relay board on e-bay but measures like a diode over the relay-coil need to be in (and probably are). Switching inductive loads with the relay can also introduce EM problems.

      It's science... using Solid State relays is a long term reliable (short term expensive) alternative. ... good luck, there may be experts around on the forum.

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      ferpando
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      #17

      @AWI
      Looks like it has a regulator and a 1000uF capacitor plus a smaller one.
      I'll try to add a second regulator with capacitor just for the arduino and see what happens

      image.jpg

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      • ferpandoF ferpando

        @AWI
        Looks like it has a regulator and a 1000uF capacitor plus a smaller one.
        I'll try to add a second regulator with capacitor just for the arduino and see what happens

        image.jpg

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        AWI
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        #18

        @ferpando That certainly looks like a power supply. Please keep me informed.

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          TimO
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          I have exactly the same Problem. But I'm not sure the relays are the problem.
          I've added a keep alive message to know when it stops working and implemented a watchdog.

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          • T TimO

            I have exactly the same Problem. But I'm not sure the relays are the problem.
            I've added a keep alive message to know when it stops working and implemented a watchdog.

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            #20

            @TimO
            Could you elaborate a bit more about the watchdog?

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            • ferpandoF ferpando

              @TimO
              Could you elaborate a bit more about the watchdog?

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              #21

              @ferpando You can enable a watchdog timer on your Arduino. If your code hangs your Arduino, it should reset/reboot it. But not sure that would reset the radio.

              Found good description -> http://www.megunolink.com/how-to-detect-lockups-using-the-arduino-watchdog/

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              • ferpandoF ferpando

                @AWI
                Looks like it has a regulator and a 1000uF capacitor plus a smaller one.
                I'll try to add a second regulator with capacitor just for the arduino and see what happens

                image.jpg

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                #22

                @ferpando, @Magiske, You solved this problem? I realized what the problem, but unfortunately, I do not understand how to solve it. Can you explain exactly how to change node?

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                • T TimO

                  I have exactly the same Problem. But I'm not sure the relays are the problem.
                  I've added a keep alive message to know when it stops working and implemented a watchdog.

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                  AWI
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                  #23

                  @TimO said:

                  I have exactly the same Problem. But I'm not sure the relays are the problem.
                  I've added a keep alive message to know when it stops working and implemented a watchdog.

                  That sounds like you keep the motor running and accept that the car crashes every once in a while ;) Better to find the root cause of the "freeze" and eliminate it.

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                  • AWIA AWI

                    @TimO said:

                    I have exactly the same Problem. But I'm not sure the relays are the problem.
                    I've added a keep alive message to know when it stops working and implemented a watchdog.

                    That sounds like you keep the motor running and accept that the car crashes every once in a while ;) Better to find the root cause of the "freeze" and eliminate it.

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                    @AWI You're right of course! But ... if the Arduino is the root of all evil in this case, it will reset once in a while but still work. If it still freezes it could be the radio that crashes. So I'm still trying to solve the problem. :-)

                    All parts use the same 5V source (which I already switched) but the radio of course is connected through a regulator. If the watchdog solves the problem (so the radio is not the problem) I will add a bigger capacitor which I already ordered.

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                      ferpando
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                      #25

                      I made this regulator based on this schematic to power the node independently, to see if it solves the problem.

                      IMG_8863.JPG

                      7805-5V-Regulated-Power-Supply-Overvoltage-Protection-Circuit-diagram.jpg

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                        RJ_Make
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                        #26

                        Does this node by any chance have a temp. sensor also?

                        My nightmare.. http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/338/reliability/3

                        RJ_Make

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                        • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

                          Does this node by any chance have a temp. sensor also?

                          My nightmare.. http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/338/reliability/3

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                          ferpando
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                          @ServiceXp said:

                          http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/338/reliability/3

                          Mine doesn`t at the moment, but should be easy to add.

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                            Any update on this?
                            Asking since I also have a multisensor that locks up every now and then. Thinking of some way to reset the radio a couple of times per day.
                            Any suggestions how to implement this?

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                            • NuubiN Nuubi

                              Any update on this?
                              Asking since I also have a multisensor that locks up every now and then. Thinking of some way to reset the radio a couple of times per day.
                              Any suggestions how to implement this?

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                              ferpando
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                              #29

                              @Nuubi
                              No more node lock-ups since I installed that power supply, so it works as expected.

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