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    gol
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    #91

    My first Senseboard is now Up and Running. Have even tested to reinstall the sketch. No issues so far. Thanx for this product.

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      tbowmo
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      #92

      @gol

      Nice to hear :)

      I have to wait until Monday, before I can pick mine up at the post office.. (they tried to deliver it today, when I wasn't at home, so just left me a note that I could pick it up on Monday)

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      • G gol

        My first Senseboard is now Up and Running. Have even tested to reinstall the sketch. No issues so far. Thanx for this product.

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        marceltrapman
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        @gol said:

        My first Senseboard is now Up and Running. Have even tested to reinstall the sketch. No issues so far. Thanx for this product.

        This is not a 'product', this is pure fun ;)

        Fulltime Servoy Developer
        Parttime Moderator MySensors board

        I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
        I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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          HenkeP
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          #94

          Picked up my four devices yesterday and two of them are up and running using the pre-loaded sketch and it works like a charm!

          But i have a question regarding the battery level reporting, I can see the following in the code:

          // Battery voltage is repported as child sensorId 199, as well as battery percentage (Internal message)
          

          But it seems to only present temp and hum as sensors and no voltage:

          gw.present(CHILD_ID_TEMP,S_TEMP);
          gw.present(CHILD_ID_HUM,S_HUM);
          

          What is it i'm failing to understand? I just setup Domoticz and in there I have not yet got a good way of presenting historical battery levels, it just shows the latest internal battery level message. To get a better understanding on the battery life performance it is necessary to be able to create a graph. I thought I could use the voltage level for this but I can only see the internal message :-(

          Thanks,
          Henrik

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            wrote on last edited by tbowmo
            #95

            @HenkeP

            That's a leftover from my initial battery monitoring code. It could be re-implemented quite easily, in the battery reporting routine, you could report actual voltage measured, as an extra sensor

            (I actually thought that I had removed everything related to the old monitoring code)

            Edited

            I have updated the sketch for sensebender micro, to include sending battery voltage measurements as a sensor value. This is not enabled by default though, and people need to recompile it, with a #define uncommented.

            do a pull from mysensors github, to get the latest sourcecode

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            • hekH hek

              @hautomate said:

              3,091 in stock

              That's the old A10. It would probably work but A20 has some firmware fixes and more tests performed on it.
              I have nothing to say about the price. It is the same as for A20.. As you can see it is the most expensive part on the micro board (30% of it's price).

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              twosh
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              @hek said:

              That's the old A10. It would probably work but A20 has some firmware fixes and more tests performed on it.
              I have nothing to say about the price. It is the same as for A20.. As you can see it is the most expensive part on the micro board (30% of it's price).

              Would you consider a Sensebender Micro Light-version without this component? i mean, if it's 30 % of the price, not available and not imo a critical component (you could always add your own humidity/temp sensors), there are quite a few reasons why a light version would be tempting. At least to me. :)

              Cheers,
              Tim

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                sundberg84
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                #97

                @twosh @hek A Sensebender Light would be great is my opinion. Im not looking for these advances futures, only a simple and as cheap as possible board to run on batteries and a temp sensor. Br Andreas

                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                  #98

                  @twosh, @sundberg84

                  Well, it's a temperature sensor, and humidity in one :). If you are going to use other sensor types (DS1820, or cheaper humidity/temperature sensors), you also need to have a booster circuit, in order to boost battery voltage to 3V minimum (as they don't operate on voltages lower than that).

                  So in the end, you'll buy both booster circuits, and sensors, which will be close to the same price as the Si7021 in the end, to get the same functionality.

                  And since you (probably) are using a cheap booster circuit from ebay, the battery would not last that long, so you buy lot's of batteries to feed the booster circuitry :)

                  But when that's said, we could ask itead if they could make a "barebone" unit, without the Si7021 mounted, and then provide a quote on that type of sensor.

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                    sundberg84
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #99

                    @tbowmo

                    Thank you for your answer tbowmo - i see your logic.
                    But if you want to use it with say, light, motion or another sensor with this board - do I need a booster?

                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                      #100

                      I'll add my voice to the requests for a 'lite' version of the Sensebender Micro board. My ideal would be to provide an option without the A20 secure signing IC placed, but leaving the Si7021 in.

                      Cheers
                      Richard

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                        tbowmo
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                        #101

                        @hawk_2050

                        Well, the atsha204 is only about 0.5$ in price, so the savings will be very little.

                        @sundberg84
                        If it's a pure motion sensor then I can see a point in using a light edition. I have requested a quote from itead on a light edition.

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                          twosh
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                          #102

                          @tbowmo It was just a thought I came up with and thought to share my idea and arguments. :)
                          I think the Sensebender Micro is great especially if you would like to monitor temperatures (which of course many of us wants to), but I just think that a less expensive, light option (that would be available to order... :) ) could appeal to many. Great that you have requested a quote!

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                            #103

                            Just as a reference, the boost regulators I did, based on the TPS61221, cost something like $1.7, including the (very small) PCB. The TPS61221 is about $1 out of that cost. And I did not use the cheapest inductor exactly. Plus the cost of small volumes and ordering each component individually from AliExpress.

                            Don't have any testing equipment, and I haven't done any long term tests, but the prototype I did was perfectly able to run a mysensors node, including the motion detector module, and a small buzzer, on just one AA battery.

                            Not to say that I also wouldn't like pads for the Si7021 at least. It's a damn fine chip, hence the cost.

                            I think that in the long run, we should think about some sort of mini shield system where a base board can be extended, so (almost) everyone can get what they want. At the expense of bulkier designs, but it would be a choice for the end-user and everything comes at a cost anyway.

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                              Hardware Contributor
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                              #104

                              Got mine yesterday (Switzerland)!

                              I really like the design of the board. Only improvement I wish: integrated NRF24L01+ :-)

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                                @hawk_2050

                                Well, the atsha204 is only about 0.5$ in price, so the savings will be very little.

                                @sundberg84
                                If it's a pure motion sensor then I can see a point in using a light edition. I have requested a quote from itead on a light edition.

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                                #105

                                @tbowmo, ah, sorry misunderstanding then. I thought it was the atsha204 that was contributing 30% of the cost, but I guess it's the Si7021, which is rather useful to have!

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                                  gloob
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                                  #106

                                  Was anybody able to track the Micros. My tracking said it left HongKong on 04.06.2015 and I am wondering why you already received your items.

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                                    Dirk_H
                                    Contest Winner
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                                    #107

                                    @gloob
                                    same here. Has left on 04.06.2015 - no more info. Also on local post service (link below on hk post) no entry.
                                    As I live in Germany and the post is on strike and our customs work with "german gründlichkeit" I dont expect it to arrive too fast...

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                                      hek
                                      Admin
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                                      #108

                                      Mine came in this Monday. One of them has been running since.

                                      Screen Shot 2015-06-11 at 09.44.46.png

                                      It is a tracked mail/package so Itead probably has the number somewhere.

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                                        @tbowmo, ah, sorry misunderstanding then. I thought it was the atsha204 that was contributing 30% of the cost, but I guess it's the Si7021, which is rather useful to have!

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                                        tbowmo
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                                        #109

                                        @hawk_2050 said:

                                        @tbowmo, ah, sorry misunderstanding then. I thought it was the atsha204 that was contributing 30% of the cost, but I guess it's the Si7021, which is rather useful to have!

                                        Yup it's the Si7021.. It's about 5$ in low quantities from Mouser (Think that itead has a better source thouǵh)

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                                          Sparkman
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                                          #110

                                          I received mine today. I would be interested in a lower cost version as well that doesn't include the temp & humidity sensor.

                                          Cheers
                                          Al

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