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Safe In-Wall AC to DC Transformers??

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    Bertb
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    Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well. I will try to post the file, after I removed some private information :-)
    Furthermore I am building a automated load tester that relates variable loads to output voltages and surface temperatures, based on an Arduino Nano.

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      Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well. I will try to post the file, after I removed some private information :-)
      Furthermore I am building a automated load tester that relates variable loads to output voltages and surface temperatures, based on an Arduino Nano.

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      @Bertb Great news! Looking forward to the results.

      My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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        @Bertb said:

        Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well.

        :+1:

        I can´t wait to see the results

        if (knowledge == 0) { use BRAIN; use GOOGLE;use SEARCH; } else {make POST;}

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          Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well. I will try to post the file, after I removed some private information :-)
          Furthermore I am building a automated load tester that relates variable loads to output voltages and surface temperatures, based on an Arduino Nano.

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          @Bertb Cool, always handy to have people like you on forums ;) I'm also looking forward to the results!

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            Maybe the "Samsung ETAOU10EBE" phone charger is also an idea to use. I have one for my phone, and it is very small.
            I haven't opened it (i use it for my phone, dohhh), but the charger is small, so the PCB inside will be even smaller.

            It is 5V @ 700mA with a microUSB wire. I got a second one from eBay, which was being sold as 'genuine'. And to be honest, i really don't see any difference with the one that came with my phone. It is working fine for more than a year.

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              Well, here is the test file. I made it using test software named Ansur and a Fluke ESA640 tester in a Class II test setup.
              The only problem is that some test results are in Dutch.

              HLK-PM01 20150724 Fluke ESA620 IEC 60601-1 klasse 2.pdf

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                For us none dutch talking people... Good or Bad? (Yes, I see the big PASSED text ;) )

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                  For us none dutch talking people... Good or Bad? (Yes, I see the big PASSED text ;) )

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                  @hek I'm Dutch but I also have troubles interpreting the results...
                  But hey, I'm a software guy!

                  http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                    i guess fluke can set to eng,thanks @Bertb for the results,think you don´t make it at home

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                      Sorry for the language thing. I will try to get some tests in English in the future.
                      The tester used is designed for tests of medical equipment and this specific test proves that this specific HLK was safe. The problem is, however, that it does not prove anything with respect to the safety of other HLK's.

                      In the mean time, the same HLK is feeding a load of 730 mA. It's output voltage is 5.08 volts and the case temperature is Temp C: 46.81 Temp F: 116.26105.

                      @Didi. You are correct. I work in a hospital. I will try to setup the Fluke to English.

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                        Wait Mike, there is more ...
                        I sacrificed a device to the altar of success and opened it.
                        That was not very difficult. After scratching away some gum stuff the following was revealed.
                        I will try to remove the rest of the gum with acetone. I will also do some heat and burn tests.

                        This is quite funny to do :-)

                        IMG_20150728_214007.jpg IMG_20150728_214057.jpg IMG_20150728_214105.jpg IMG_20150728_214436.jpg

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                          And I found the AP8012 chip inside. It has the following features:
                          _1286955514_oj99d4.pdf

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                            And I found the AP8012 chip inside. It has the following features:
                            _1286955514_oj99d4.pdf

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                            @Bertb Thanks Bert! Good digging!

                            http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                              And I found the AP8012 chip inside. It has the following features:
                              _1286955514_oj99d4.pdf

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                              @Bertb thanks! Good detective work! It seems the chip provide all the protections needed. That is very encouraging

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                                Thank you very much. I agree with you ap8012 seems to be a good chip. As we can see, it is difficult to make it smaller if we want all securities...and for the price including shipping I think they will sell lot of these things!

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                                  And I found the AP8012 chip inside. It has the following features:
                                  _1286955514_oj99d4.pdf

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                                  @Bertb it is hard to see from the photos, are the capacitors rated for 105c?

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                                    @Moshe. Yes they are. I did not yet dug into that, but is that good news?
                                    IMG_20150729_124755.jpg IMG_20150729_124953.jpg IMG_20150729_125107.jpg IMG_20150729_125455.jpg

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                                      Observe the air gaps.

                                      I also tried to incinerate the gum stuff that is inside the module with a cigaret lighter.
                                      After a couple of seconds it starts to glow, then, after some 10 seconds, the material starts to burn. But this stops within some 20 seconds ofter removal of the lighter.
                                      I made a film, but it is too large to upload.

                                      I am not an expert on AC-DC converters, but I am quite impressed by the layout of the design.
                                      The only thing that worries me is that I do not see how the OVP is created. On the other hand, this can be easily solved by adding a fuse and a ovp zener in the primary circuit.

                                      IMG_20150729_131014.jpg

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                                        @Moshe. Yes they are. I did not yet dug into that, but is that good news?
                                        IMG_20150729_124755.jpg IMG_20150729_124953.jpg IMG_20150729_125107.jpg IMG_20150729_125455.jpg

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                                        @Bertb yes,although to be expected. Did you see the comparison mentioned a bit earlier in this thread? That is the first thing he checked

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                                          In the datasheet we can see it is implemented in the chip (in the block diagram) and how it works is explained at page 7. If VCC not well built, the chip would not work well I think.

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