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Safe In-Wall AC to DC Transformers??

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  • rvendrameR rvendrame

    Mine arrived too. But I don't have equipment / knowledge to test it properly. So I will go for "real-life test". The wall boxes / wires here are fire-proof (and placed into brick walls), so the risk of real fire is reduced.

    And I'm running my Arduino-dimmers for 6 months now, all powered by really cheap phone charges, so hopefully these modules will be a bit safer ;-)

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    @rvendrame would be interested to see how you wire everything together

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    • Moshe LivneM Moshe Livne

      @petewill @didi found a cheaper source:
      http://www.tme.eu/en/details/gs05e-usb/mains-power-supplies/mean-well/
      shipping to the US 9.90. still ridiculously expensive but not as bad as mouser

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      @Moshe-Livne said:

      @petewill @didi found a cheaper source:
      http://www.tme.eu/en/details/gs05e-usb/mains-power-supplies/mean-well/
      shipping to the US 9.90. still ridiculously expensive but not as bad as mouser

      Cool, thanks!

      @Didi can't wait to hear how they work! That was fast shipping!!

      My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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        Hi,
        I am new here and decided to join this forum, because of this interesting discussion.
        Some weeks back, I was looking for a cheap AC-DC converter and ran into the Hi-Link modules. The have very nice specs, but I discovered that there are no stamps to prove it.

        I too plan to bring an offer to the gods of AC-DC, so I will build a module into a safe box and see what happens when I start annoying it.

        I'd like to finish for now with a remark to rvendrame, if I may:
        It is true that stone is very difficult to ignite, but fire and heat also melts the plastic coating of the elektric wires and this can lead to high currents that are just not high enough to blow the fuse in the mains fusebox and this can ultimately lead to fire elsewhere in your house.

        Regards,
        Bert

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          @Bertb, thanks for the advise!

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            I have also bought the Hi-Link modules, 10 arrived today, they seem very well built, but I have yet to try them.

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              I got some hi-link modules a while back on a "I might need these in the future" type deal.

              I was wondering though how to protect the connections. I got some fuses+pcb holders to add extra protection however there is going to be at least 4 points which will be exposed.

              Can I just cover the joints with hot glue to stop them from making contact with anything? Call me paranoid but I like to be extra safe.

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                I got some hi-link modules a while back on a "I might need these in the future" type deal.

                I was wondering though how to protect the connections. I got some fuses+pcb holders to add extra protection however there is going to be at least 4 points which will be exposed.

                Can I just cover the joints with hot glue to stop them from making contact with anything? Call me paranoid but I like to be extra safe.

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                @Qu3Uk For covering solder connections you can use 'heatshrink'. Kind of 'plastic' tubes that you put around a wire, apply heat (keep a lighter/match underneath (not in the flame) for example) and it shrinks around the connection.

                See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat-shrink_tubing

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                • Q Qu3Uk

                  I got some hi-link modules a while back on a "I might need these in the future" type deal.

                  I was wondering though how to protect the connections. I got some fuses+pcb holders to add extra protection however there is going to be at least 4 points which will be exposed.

                  Can I just cover the joints with hot glue to stop them from making contact with anything? Call me paranoid but I like to be extra safe.

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                  @Qu3Uk You could protect the high voltage part of the circuit by mounting a plastic plate under the pcb using some spacers and screws. This way it would be impossible to touch the dangerous spots. I would not recommend hot glue because you never know how well it isolates. I don't think you will find electrical specs for hot glue. ;)

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                    @Qu3Uk You could protect the high voltage part of the circuit by mounting a plastic plate under the pcb using some spacers and screws. This way it would be impossible to touch the dangerous spots. I would not recommend hot glue because you never know how well it isolates. I don't think you will find electrical specs for hot glue. ;)

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                    @Jan-Gatzke Ah yeah that's probably a neater option as well I think. Sure I can find something suitable like that.
                    I have heatshrink but I just figured it wouldn't 100% cover the solder joints on the PCB.

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                      @Qu3Uk , is a small plastic box a option? Maybe some 3D-printed, with some ventilation holes on two sides, as small as the PCB + components?

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                      • Q Qu3Uk

                        @Jan-Gatzke Ah yeah that's probably a neater option as well I think. Sure I can find something suitable like that.
                        I have heatshrink but I just figured it wouldn't 100% cover the solder joints on the PCB.

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                        @Qu3Uk there is something called liquid tape. It's expensive.... Cool stuff though

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                          @Moshe Livne. thank you for the trick. I didn't know this. it could be very useful sometimes.

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                          • Q Qu3Uk

                            @Jan-Gatzke Ah yeah that's probably a neater option as well I think. Sure I can find something suitable like that.
                            I have heatshrink but I just figured it wouldn't 100% cover the solder joints on the PCB.

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                            @Qu3Uk Also, worse comes to worse, use PU construction adhesive. very messy but they are rated for electrical conductivity and fire. if you ever want to take this off, you are in big trouble....

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                            • rvendrameR rvendrame

                              @Qu3Uk , is a small plastic box a option? Maybe some 3D-printed, with some ventilation holes on two sides, as small as the PCB + components?

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                              @rvendrame Waiting on some boxes but I'm also wanting to protect the connections inside the box, figure it'll also be a little neater maybe.

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                              • DidiD Didi

                                Powersupplies arrived :smiley:

                                DSC_0079.jpg

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                                @Didi Any initial results? curiosity is killing me....

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                                • Moshe LivneM Moshe Livne

                                  @Didi Any initial results? curiosity is killing me....

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                                  @Moshe-Livne said:

                                  @Didi Any initial results? curiosity is killing me....

                                  Sorry Moshe no tests,i was in holidays with my kids

                                  if (knowledge == 0) { use BRAIN; use GOOGLE;use SEARCH; } else {make POST;}

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                                    @Moshe-Livne said:

                                    @Didi Any initial results? curiosity is killing me....

                                    Sorry Moshe no tests,i was in holidays with my kids

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                                    @Didi :disappointed:

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                                      Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well. I will try to post the file, after I removed some private information :-)
                                      Furthermore I am building a automated load tester that relates variable loads to output voltages and surface temperatures, based on an Arduino Nano.

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                                        Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well. I will try to post the file, after I removed some private information :-)
                                        Furthermore I am building a automated load tester that relates variable loads to output voltages and surface temperatures, based on an Arduino Nano.

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                                        @Bertb Great news! Looking forward to the results.

                                        My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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                                          @Bertb said:

                                          Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well.

                                          :+1:

                                          I can´t wait to see the results

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