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    meddie
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    #226

    it would be nice when a atsha204 a an a flash rom where placed to pcb for signing and ota

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    • M meddie

      it would be nice when a atsha204 a an a flash rom where placed to pcb for signing and ota

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      m26872
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      wrote on last edited by m26872
      #227

      @meddie I don't use any of it myself yet, but I know it's only a matter of time until they'll be needed. I think a add-on board to all already existing nodes would be my personal priority then, but new users would prefer it on-board of course and only populate if needed. I'll put on my not yet posted future requests list. (I remember top-side labels are also wanted.) A thing to remember though, is that my Slim Node design is a concept was a lean and simplicity concept, without preparations for maximum flexibility etc.

      As I've said earlier - if anyone like to do their own Slim Node design, you're very welcome. And if you share it, it's even better.

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        @m26872: slowly getting there: http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/3043/new-nrf24l01-smd/14

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          meddie
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          #229

          What i like on this node is the great idea with the casing. To use a cable duct is a great idea. We have wooden windows and i found in a diy market cable ducts in wooden look
          like this:
          wooden look cable duct

          The Problem is that the size is 15x15 mm outside. inside the pcb can be max. 13 mm.

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          • M meddie

            What i like on this node is the great idea with the casing. To use a cable duct is a great idea. We have wooden windows and i found in a diy market cable ducts in wooden look
            like this:
            wooden look cable duct

            The Problem is that the size is 15x15 mm outside. inside the pcb can be max. 13 mm.

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            m26872
            Hardware Contributor
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            #230

            @meddie I think 15x15 is very common and should be to prefer, but if I remember correct there's not enough space for AA batteries, or is there?

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            • GertSandersG GertSanders

              @m26872: slowly getting there: http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/3043/new-nrf24l01-smd/14

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              m26872
              Hardware Contributor
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              #231

              @GertSanders Good job! If you go the SMD way I think a lot could be done. Perhaps matching AAA width? Leave some (only few) SMD pads open for sensor connection, no proto area, etc.

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                meddie
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                #232

                oh, yes. You have right, the battery fits in it, but its a little bit too big so i cant close the cover. Damn i didnt try it before.
                ok the i have to look for a graeter duct.

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                  #233

                  Currently this is my favorite board. Minimal size, traditional components and just enough breadboard space. A few variations:
                  0_1454859878498_upload-23af4fbe-6938-4079-9fc4-d149c8950370 Soldered an 8 mHz resonator (a 'crystal' which does not need the capacitors) for a more stable clock.

                  0_1454860192227_upload-c6f3a164-b5cb-43f5-af82-c556674568f4 0_1454860883223_upload-351808cf-868d-4076-80ce-2e4b05ec4898 Soldered a 3.3v LDO (662k) under the radio to have it powered with a rechargeable Lipo (4.1V max) battery. And added a voltage divider to measure the actual battery voltage.

                  0_1454860058592_upload-a677913a-22a8-466d-920d-ae620591088b 0_1454860344864_upload-77335242-a0b4-4371-85f5-4d11731c0868
                  With a SMD version of the radio. Needs some creative soldering...

                  0_1454860702395_upload-e1af1f72-11c5-409d-9eca-762e3c657183 Compared to an other favourite ( @GertSanders )

                  It would even be better if the smd radio could be soldered on the board. Kicad is giving me a headache so if anybody wants to volunteer with a panelized design.... (I will reward you with a free batch of 'dirty' boards, just drop me a pm)

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                    #234

                    AA batteries are 14mm in diameter. AAA batteries are 10mm in diameter.

                    I have single AAA batteryholders which are 13mm wide at the base, and including a battery they are 13mm high at the highest point.

                    LEGRAND sells 16x16mm cable ducts (http://www.ecataleg.be/fr/category/2751/16-x-16), which is what I plan to use, but the 15x15 ducts should work as well.

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                    • m26872M m26872

                      @GertSanders Good job! If you go the SMD way I think a lot could be done. Perhaps matching AAA width? Leave some (only few) SMD pads open for sensor connection, no proto area, etc.

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                      wrote on last edited by GertSanders
                      #235

                      @m26872 I'm trying to make a full SMD board with the smd variant of the nrf24.

                      So far, my first design is a 21mm square.

                      I have been thinking about a long 13mm x 100mm variant. That would allow plenty of space, at least 1 AAA, but more importantly would allow panelisation when combining with a 13x100 board for two AAA battery holders.

                      This would give 3 sensor nodes + 3 battery holder boards in one 100x100 panel, or 6 sensor boards if we use your technique of "ty-wrapping" batteries.

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                        #236

                        A couple of more questions. In one of the pictures at the top the electrulyte 4,.7 uf capacitator is placed closer to the atmel chip and the 0.1 uf (c5) is placed closest to the edge does it matter witch capacitator goes where?

                        The 10k resistor should be 1/4 or 1/8 W according to the bom. I had some small 1/6 W 10k resistors can I use them? I also have some bigger blue 10k resistor that I do not know the W rating on.

                        Where did you purchase the female pin-header that are used for the chips? I have some atmega chip-sockets that are quite narrow and it is hard to fit the components underneath. I also have some other female pin-headers but they are atleast twice as high than the ones in the pictures.

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                        • AWIA AWI

                          Currently this is my favorite board. Minimal size, traditional components and just enough breadboard space. A few variations:
                          0_1454859878498_upload-23af4fbe-6938-4079-9fc4-d149c8950370 Soldered an 8 mHz resonator (a 'crystal' which does not need the capacitors) for a more stable clock.

                          0_1454860192227_upload-c6f3a164-b5cb-43f5-af82-c556674568f4 0_1454860883223_upload-351808cf-868d-4076-80ce-2e4b05ec4898 Soldered a 3.3v LDO (662k) under the radio to have it powered with a rechargeable Lipo (4.1V max) battery. And added a voltage divider to measure the actual battery voltage.

                          0_1454860058592_upload-a677913a-22a8-466d-920d-ae620591088b 0_1454860344864_upload-77335242-a0b4-4371-85f5-4d11731c0868
                          With a SMD version of the radio. Needs some creative soldering...

                          0_1454860702395_upload-e1af1f72-11c5-409d-9eca-762e3c657183 Compared to an other favourite ( @GertSanders )

                          It would even be better if the smd radio could be soldered on the board. Kicad is giving me a headache so if anybody wants to volunteer with a panelized design.... (I will reward you with a free batch of 'dirty' boards, just drop me a pm)

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                          Yveaux
                          Mod
                          wrote on last edited by Yveaux
                          #237

                          @AWI said:

                          panelized design

                          If you're struggling with panelizing boards I can recommend the excellent gerber tools from Stijn Kuipers.

                          It allows you to create designs like this (10x10cm, DirtyPCBs):

                          0_1454871223582_20150501-111911.jpg

                          Drop him a message and he'll send you a download link.

                          http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                          • YveauxY Yveaux

                            @AWI said:

                            panelized design

                            If you're struggling with panelizing boards I can recommend the excellent gerber tools from Stijn Kuipers.

                            It allows you to create designs like this (10x10cm, DirtyPCBs):

                            0_1454871223582_20150501-111911.jpg

                            Drop him a message and he'll send you a download link.

                            AWIA Offline
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                            AWI
                            Hero Member
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #238

                            @Yveaux Tnhx, but I guess I am not ready for the first step (creating/ adapting a board in Kicad) yet ....

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                            • AWIA AWI

                              @Yveaux Tnhx, but I guess I am not ready for the first step (creating/ adapting a board in Kicad) yet ....

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                              Yveaux
                              Mod
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #239

                              @AWI Sorry, can't help you with that. All Eagle here :sweat_smile:

                              http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                                @Yveaux I tried to find an email address on the website, but apart from a LinkIn link I could not find anything. Also, in LinkedIn you need a paying version to be able to send InMail, and I do not have a paid account. Would you care to tell me how you were able to send Stijn a message ?

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                                • Cliff KarlssonC Cliff Karlsson

                                  A couple of more questions. In one of the pictures at the top the electrulyte 4,.7 uf capacitator is placed closer to the atmel chip and the 0.1 uf (c5) is placed closest to the edge does it matter witch capacitator goes where?

                                  The 10k resistor should be 1/4 or 1/8 W according to the bom. I had some small 1/6 W 10k resistors can I use them? I also have some bigger blue 10k resistor that I do not know the W rating on.

                                  Where did you purchase the female pin-header that are used for the chips? I have some atmega chip-sockets that are quite narrow and it is hard to fit the components underneath. I also have some other female pin-headers but they are atleast twice as high than the ones in the pictures.

                                  AWIA Offline
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                                  AWI
                                  Hero Member
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #241

                                  @Cliff-Karlsson You can swap the capacitors and use all resistor dissipation values. The pin headers you can find here for example

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                                  • GertSandersG GertSanders

                                    @Yveaux I tried to find an email address on the website, but apart from a LinkIn link I could not find anything. Also, in LinkedIn you need a paying version to be able to send InMail, and I do not have a paid account. Would you care to tell me how you were able to send Stijn a message ?

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                                    Yveaux
                                    Mod
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #242

                                    @GertSanders It's been a while, but my first contact was through his Twitter account. Try that first, otherwise ping me.

                                    http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                                    • YveauxY Yveaux

                                      @GertSanders It's been a while, but my first contact was through his Twitter account. Try that first, otherwise ping me.

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                                      GertSanders
                                      Hardware Contributor
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #243

                                      @Yveaux I do not have a twitter account, so no joy. And I feel stupid to say so, but how do you ping someone on this forum ?

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                                      • YveauxY Yveaux

                                        @AWI said:

                                        panelized design

                                        If you're struggling with panelizing boards I can recommend the excellent gerber tools from Stijn Kuipers.

                                        It allows you to create designs like this (10x10cm, DirtyPCBs):

                                        0_1454871223582_20150501-111911.jpg

                                        Drop him a message and he'll send you a download link.

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                                        ahmedadelhosni
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                                        #244

                                        @Yveaux i remember once that i read that dirtypcbs does not allow for different designs in their panelized boards. Am i correct ?

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                                        • ahmedadelhosniA ahmedadelhosni

                                          @Yveaux i remember once that i read that dirtypcbs does not allow for different designs in their panelized boards. Am i correct ?

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                                          Yveaux
                                          Mod
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #245

                                          @ahmedadelhosni apparently not :blush:
                                          The board above was produced by ditypcb's. In fact they're one of the few (only?) cheap PCB manufacturers that allow panelization.

                                          http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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