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  • gohanG gohan

    I have a 10uF ceramic on both booster output and near nrf24 socket and it has been working well. For battery powered nodes I'm moving to LiFePo4 batteries that have no need for booster and voltage divider. Much less hassle.

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    sundberg84
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    #179

    @gohan - yea, just as I said above. Moving to another battery or lower BOD/change bootloader is one good way to avoid booster problems. Good to hear its working well for you - lets hope it continues that way.

    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
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    • sundberg84S sundberg84

      @SolderNewbie

      If the battery jumper is opened there is not voltage at the NRF24 module and also not at the 3.3 pin of the MysX pin out. Ist this correct?I thought the NRF24 is powered by the battery booster by default. Or did I get it wrong?

      This is correct because you dont want to feed 3.3v from the booster to the radio. The radio is very sensitive to noise (which will be the case with the booster) and since the radio can handle down to 1.9v the pcb is used like the description How?>Battery 3.3v @ https://www.openhardware.io/view/4/EasyNewbie-PCB-for-MySensors. This will feed the vattery voltage only (not from Booster) and therefore not give noise to the radio.

      As mentioned above by @gohan its possible but not recommended... unless you got some really good modules you will end up with a 2m range on your radio (or no connection at all)

      Maybe an idea for rev 10? Battery booster powered NRF24 module?

      This is why Rev 1 and 2 never made it... I have been trying this out since 2014 and it just doesnt work. You might get lucky with 1 or 2 modules that works (or pay alot for low noise boosters which isnt my thought with EasyPCB).

      I would instead suggest lowering BOD and/or change bootloader.

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      #180

      @sundberg84 Thanks for clarification! Do you have any idea how long i can power a NRF24 module with two AA batteries until the voltage is to low?

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      • S SolderNewbie

        @sundberg84 Thanks for clarification! Do you have any idea how long i can power a NRF24 module with two AA batteries until the voltage is to low?

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        wrote on last edited by sundberg84
        #181

        @SolderNewbie - it depends on many factors, but one example I have 2xAA, Pro Mini (Led and Voltage reg removed), DHT22, Voltage divider (for battery measurment), booster and sending temp & humidity + battery status every 15min should last 1-1.5 years.

        Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
        RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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        • sundberg84S sundberg84

          @sincze

          use the pins TX/RX

          what do you mean? You can find the pins on the MysX connector (bottom left on the PCB). Instructions on how to use the pins isnt my cup of tea. You need to google that or you have to look at the arduino homepage.

          There isnt anything to convert from nano to EasyPCB (except to find the right pins). The sketch will work just fine as it is.

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          MySensors Evangelist
          wrote on last edited by sincze
          #182

          @sundberg84 Got it. In the end it I did not have to use them.

          All devices I was looking for to use are working except for my Dallas Temp Sensors.
          The resistor is between the wires VCC and DATA in the connectors so not soldered on the board itself.

          I checked if pin header
          D3 had connection with D3 on the arduino (beep),
          GND with GND on the arduino (beep),
          VCC with VCC on the arduino (beep) at 4,7v.

          So the connector should be okay (no soldering error this time). If I connect the wire to the old Arduino nano the temp sensors are found... Connect them to the PCB.. Nothing found. Well must be something stupid I am missing here right?.

          To check D3, I made an RX tranmission Led attached and it flashed fine. So it should be okay.

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          • sinczeS sincze

            @sundberg84 Got it. In the end it I did not have to use them.

            All devices I was looking for to use are working except for my Dallas Temp Sensors.
            The resistor is between the wires VCC and DATA in the connectors so not soldered on the board itself.

            I checked if pin header
            D3 had connection with D3 on the arduino (beep),
            GND with GND on the arduino (beep),
            VCC with VCC on the arduino (beep) at 4,7v.

            So the connector should be okay (no soldering error this time). If I connect the wire to the old Arduino nano the temp sensors are found... Connect them to the PCB.. Nothing found. Well must be something stupid I am missing here right?.

            To check D3, I made an RX tranmission Led attached and it flashed fine. So it should be okay.

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            #183

            @sincze - that sounds strange.
            Is it the same sensor or could the dallas sensor be broken?
            Can you see anything in the debug/serial? /(Sometimes you can see -127 and so).

            Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
            RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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            • sundberg84S sundberg84

              @sincze - that sounds strange.
              Is it the same sensor or could the dallas sensor be broken?
              Can you see anything in the debug/serial? /(Sometimes you can see -127 and so).

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              sincze
              MySensors Evangelist
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              @sundberg84 Strange thing is.. If I unplug the temp cable from the PCB and plug it into the NANO the sketch detects the sensor. The exact same sketch on the mini says "0 sensors found" as I just print the number of sensors detected.
              For debugging purposes If I would solder the resistor on the PCB and I have a different temp sensor with resistor within the cabling. Would that hurt (double resistors) ?
              Would I have to look for a specific voltage between D3 and GND ?

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              • sinczeS sincze

                @sundberg84 Strange thing is.. If I unplug the temp cable from the PCB and plug it into the NANO the sketch detects the sensor. The exact same sketch on the mini says "0 sensors found" as I just print the number of sensors detected.
                For debugging purposes If I would solder the resistor on the PCB and I have a different temp sensor with resistor within the cabling. Would that hurt (double resistors) ?
                Would I have to look for a specific voltage between D3 and GND ?

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                wrote on last edited by sundberg84
                #185

                @sincze - so it sounds like you have issues between pcb connector and A0 pin on the atmega328. You could try to do a continuitytest between that - and check soldering job on the MysX connector and on the back on the pro mini (A0)

                0_1510823476205_upload-31f0d5a6-9fc8-42a1-bf58-2a6d7f490457

                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                • sundberg84S sundberg84

                  @sincze - so it sounds like you have issues between pcb connector and A0 pin on the atmega328. You could try to do a continuitytest between that - and check soldering job on the MysX connector and on the back on the pro mini (A0)

                  0_1510823476205_upload-31f0d5a6-9fc8-42a1-bf58-2a6d7f490457

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                  MySensors Evangelist
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                  #186

                  @sundberg84 Just for the check A0 or D3 (temp sensor)?
                  As A0 is working, I have a relais attached to it. ;)

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                  • sinczeS sincze

                    @sundberg84 Just for the check A0 or D3 (temp sensor)?
                    As A0 is working, I have a relais attached to it. ;)

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                    #187

                    @sincze sorry - my misstake, D3 offcourse. You can do if from D3 on the MysX connector to D3 on the atmega chip. D3 on the cjip is the upper left pin on the image.

                    0_1510831452813_upload-0d859cac-e93c-40ad-9f2f-f68ddcd6fdeb

                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                    • sundberg84S sundberg84

                      @sincze sorry - my misstake, D3 offcourse. You can do if from D3 on the MysX connector to D3 on the atmega chip. D3 on the cjip is the upper left pin on the image.

                      0_1510831452813_upload-0d859cac-e93c-40ad-9f2f-f68ddcd6fdeb

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                      MySensors Evangelist
                      wrote on last edited by sincze
                      #188

                      @sundberg84 yes, I have a 'beep' pffffff would a double resistor hurt ?? 1 on pcb the other one in the cable?
                      I tried connecting it directly to pin 3 on the arduino, no detection, I tried replacing the resistor. nothing. I tried a different temp sensors.. No detection. I moved the new temp sensor to the nano... detected.
                      I tried an empty Dallas temp only sketch on the mini... no detection. Well Now I'm lost ;-)

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                      • sinczeS sincze

                        @sundberg84 yes, I have a 'beep' pffffff would a double resistor hurt ?? 1 on pcb the other one in the cable?
                        I tried connecting it directly to pin 3 on the arduino, no detection, I tried replacing the resistor. nothing. I tried a different temp sensors.. No detection. I moved the new temp sensor to the nano... detected.
                        I tried an empty Dallas temp only sketch on the mini... no detection. Well Now I'm lost ;-)

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                        #189

                        @sincze Can you possibly send pictures with how you have it connected both on the nano and on the mini? I am thinking that it is something obvious that is being missed.

                        Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
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                        • sinczeS sincze

                          @sundberg84 yes, I have a 'beep' pffffff would a double resistor hurt ?? 1 on pcb the other one in the cable?
                          I tried connecting it directly to pin 3 on the arduino, no detection, I tried replacing the resistor. nothing. I tried a different temp sensors.. No detection. I moved the new temp sensor to the nano... detected.
                          I tried an empty Dallas temp only sketch on the mini... no detection. Well Now I'm lost ;-)

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                          @sincze - and you use the right power source on the PCB? (VCC = 5v and 3.3v = Well... 3.3v) Please send pictures of both setup as mentioned.

                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                            #191

                            Hi Sundberg84,

                            I have some v8 and now enough time for playing.
                            I setup with v3.3 2xAA, booster, NRF24, simple door sensor or DHT.
                            1-2 week and the batteries are discharged, I hear little buzz from the mini or other components.
                            This is the 2nd built where I meet this problem.
                            Do you have any idea what component is the failed ?
                            thanks
                            Barna

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                              #192

                              Did you remove the regulator and LED from the pro mini? Have you tried a different booster?

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                              • BarnaB Barna

                                Hi Sundberg84,

                                I have some v8 and now enough time for playing.
                                I setup with v3.3 2xAA, booster, NRF24, simple door sensor or DHT.
                                1-2 week and the batteries are discharged, I hear little buzz from the mini or other components.
                                This is the 2nd built where I meet this problem.
                                Do you have any idea what component is the failed ?
                                thanks
                                Barna

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #193

                                @Barna as @gohan said I suspect the booster as well. A small buzz is normally from that hardware.
                                Also did you implement sleep() ?

                                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                • sundberg84S sundberg84

                                  @Barna as @gohan said I suspect the booster as well. A small buzz is normally from that hardware.
                                  Also did you implement sleep() ?

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                                  #194

                                  @sundberg84 this is not normal buzz, stronger than before.
                                  I have used this source only: https://www.ebay.com/itm/mini-DC-DC-0-8-3-3V-to-DC-3-3V-Step-UP-Boost-Power-Module-For-Breadboard-Arduino-/281556288481?hash=item418e1003e1
                                  which another part could make the buzz ?
                                  yes, I use sleep
                                  sleep(1, CHANGE, SLEEP_TIME); SLEEP_TIME is 900000 , but the node does not wake up and send the battery status, only when door sensor changes.
                                  No, I have not removed the led and regulator, this is the testing period only :)

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                                    #195

                                    Those draw quite some energy, you'd better remove them and see from there

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                                    • BarnaB Barna

                                      Hi Sundberg84,

                                      I have some v8 and now enough time for playing.
                                      I setup with v3.3 2xAA, booster, NRF24, simple door sensor or DHT.
                                      1-2 week and the batteries are discharged, I hear little buzz from the mini or other components.
                                      This is the 2nd built where I meet this problem.
                                      Do you have any idea what component is the failed ?
                                      thanks
                                      Barna

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #196

                                      @Barna What if you used a setup like this:
                                      0_1510936047717_upload-c0db2caa-660d-4a18-a9a9-c9c2cf96935c
                                      The 3volt tap can be used to power the arduino, and the DHT can be run from the 4.5v. With that you wouldn't need the step up booster.

                                      Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                                      Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                                      • sundberg84S sundberg84

                                        @sincze - and you use the right power source on the PCB? (VCC = 5v and 3.3v = Well... 3.3v) Please send pictures of both setup as mentioned.

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                                        MySensors Evangelist
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #197

                                        @sundberg84 @dbemowsk Thank you guys for still trying to help me. I almost gave up on using a Dallas Termp sensor o n a pro mini. As said I even tried connecting the temp sensor directly to the pins with same results. If I connect the pins to my nano, it is being detected and transmitting temp values. I even used a different sketch.. Just for the temp sensor. link found_here. Changed it to use Pin 3 ofcourse. I even connected the whole thing to D2 (resistor back in the wires)... without being succesful either.

                                        0_1510938558966_Dallas Not Detected.png

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                                        • sinczeS sincze

                                          @sundberg84 @dbemowsk Thank you guys for still trying to help me. I almost gave up on using a Dallas Termp sensor o n a pro mini. As said I even tried connecting the temp sensor directly to the pins with same results. If I connect the pins to my nano, it is being detected and transmitting temp values. I even used a different sketch.. Just for the temp sensor. link found_here. Changed it to use Pin 3 ofcourse. I even connected the whole thing to D2 (resistor back in the wires)... without being succesful either.

                                          0_1510938558966_Dallas Not Detected.png

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                                          @sincze Are you sure you sure you got correct power on the GND and VCC pins on the MySX connector?

                                          Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                                          Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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