Wireless nRF24L01+ sniffer for MySensors

[Sparkman]

@Yveaux Thanks for putting this together. I'm trying it out today and seem to have everything running properly and without errors, but it's not capturing any packets. Can I just run nrf24sniff with all default parameters (other than the com port) for the current 1.4 release, or do I need to change some of them? I haven't made any changes to the default mysensor settings such as channel and data rate. I'm running it on a Mega, but have tested the radio, etc. using the BinarySwitchSensor sketch and it's communicating properly to my gateway/controller.

Thanks
Al

[Yveaux]

@Sparkman Even if the MySensors protocol changed w.r.t. the version supported by the sniffer you should still be able to capture raw nRF24 packets on air. Only the MySensors dissection could fail in this case.

You should double check the values of DEFAULT_RF_CHANNEL, DEFAULT_RF_DATARATE and DEFAULT_RADIO_ID in NRF24_sniff.ino.
They should match the MySensors configuration from MyConfig.h: RF24_CHANNEL, RF24_DATARATE and BASE_RADIO_ID.
The MySensors default datarate has gone down from 1Mbps to 25Kbps, so I would expect the DEFAULT_RF_DATARATE in the sniffer causes the malfunction.

The SPI/pin settings for the radio connection could also be different on your Mega. The sniffer only supports hardware SPI. Other pins are configured in the same NRF24_sniff.ino:

    #define RF_CE_PIN                      (9)
    #define RF_CS_PIN                      (10)
    #define RF_IRQ_PIN                     (2)
    #define RF_IRQ                         (RF_IRQ_PIN-2) 

Also, the sniffer uses interrupts for quick response to new messages, so make sure the IRQ pin is connected between the Mega and the nRF24 (MySensors doesn't use) !

To rule out any issues caused by the Mega, could you test the sniffer using a regular Uno?

Good luck!

[Sparkman]

@Yveaux Thanks for the reply. I did run it with the -r2 option as well to see if that would work, but I didn't capture any packets that way either. I don't have an unused Uno, but also tried it with a Pro Mini and am not capturing packets that way either. I can use the Mega and Pro Mini with a regular MySensors sketch, so I know that all connections are good. I do have IRQ connected to pin 2 on both of them which according to the documentation for those, is where they need to go. I've confirmed the settings between nrf24_sniff.ino and myconfig.h and everything matched, except the data rate which I have now fixed. With development mode enabled on the sketch, I get the following:

-- RF24 Sniff --
4e 4c02050400fce1a8a80000000220 Channel:     76
Datarate:    250Kb/s
Address:     0xA8A8E1FC**
Max payload: 32
CRC length:  2

STATUS		= 0x0e RX_DR=0 TX_DS=0 MAX_RT=0 RX_P_NO=7 TX_FULL=0
RX_ADDR_P0-1	= 0xa8a8e1fc 0xa8e1fc03
RX_ADDR_P2-5	= 0xff 0xc4 0xc5 0xc6
TX_ADDR		= 0xa8e1fc00
RX_PW_P0-6	= 0x20 0x20 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
	
EN_AA		 = 0x00
EN_RXADDR	= 0x07
F_CH		 = 0x4c
RF_SETUP	= 0x27
CONFIG		 = 0x07
DYNPD/FEATURE	= 0x3f 0x06
Data Rate	 = 250KBPS
Model		 = nRF24L01+
CRC Length	 = Disabled
PA Power	 = PA_MAX

Listening...

and from nrf24sniff:

C:\Users\Downloads>nrf24sniff -P4 -r2

Connect Wireshark to \\.\pipe\wireshark to continue...
Wait for sniffer to restart Ok

Channel:      76
Datarate:     250Kb/s
Address:      0xa8a8e1fc**
Max payload:  32
CRC length:   2
Captured 0 packets, Lost 0 packets

Does anything jump out to you as being wrong?

Thanks
Al

[Yveaux]

@Sparkman I guess you've only enabled "development mode" (not defining BINARY_OUTPUT) to get some output to post on the forum, right? There will be no communication between the arduino and the Windows nrf24sniff executable when BINARY_OUTPUT is not defined, as textual output is not recognized by the Windows program. The parameter -r2 will not make a difference then...

Anyway, if you change the default configuration items as I suggested in my previous post, you should be able to see some data coming in on the sniffer in "development mode". Another option would be to connect some LEDs to A0..A4 to indicate data coming in/going out. This way you can rule out the connection to the Windows program.

Just to be sure, are you transmitting any data using a separate gateway+sensor when running the sniffer?

[Sparkman]

@Yveaux Yes, I only enabled development mode to troubleshoot. Had it running with BINARY_OUTPUT defined during normal operation. I have another sensor nearby that is sending data and it's talking to the gateway/controller properly so I know it's transmitting/receiving. I've tried a few different radio modules as well to rule out any issues with those, but I did test them using a normal MySensors sketch first to make sure they are operating properly. I'll add some LED's to troubleshoot. Below is my sketch for reference. Thanks for your help!

Cheers
Al

EDIT: Code Removed

[Yveaux]

@Sparkman Apart from the DEFAULT_RF_DATARATE your sketch seems to be identical to mine on GitHub...
It also doesn't seem to work on a Pro Mini, as you say. Only hardware difference between a Pro Mini and Uno is clock speed (or am I missing something?)

@marceltrapman Did you ever get the sniffer running on a Mega?

[Sparkman]

@Yveaux said:

Apart from the DEFAULT_RF_DATARATE your sketch seems to be identical to mine on GitHub...

That's a good thing right?

@Yveaux said:

It also doesn't seem to work on a Pro Mini, as you say. Only hardware difference between a Pro Mini and Uno is clock speed (or am I missing something?)

That's my understanding as well.

I hooked up LEDs to pins A0-A4. The LED on A0 is on when the sketch is running and the LED on A2 flashes briefly when my other sensor sends a packet. The LEDs on A1, A3 and A4 have not shown any activity. Is that what is expected?

Thanks
Al

[marceltrapman]

@Yveaux Never tried. It works with the Uno and I say 'never change a winning team' :)

[Sparkman]

@Yveaux Well strangely enough, after hooking up the LEDs, it now works. I've tried it on both the Pro Mini and on the Mega and am now capturing data. Does the sketch not work if the LEDs are not connected? Should I have commented out the #define LED_SUPPORTED line if the LEDs are not connected?

Thanks for the help and the quick replies. Much appreciated.

Cheers
Al

[Yveaux]

@Sparkman said:

That's a good thing right?

Of course! Mine works ;-)

I hooked up LEDs to pins A0-A4. The LED on A0 is on when the sketch is running and the LED on A2 flashes briefly when my other sensor sends a packet. The LEDs on A1, A3 and A4 have not shown any activity. Is that what is expected?

A1 blinks on reception of data by the nRF24 (toggled in the interrupt handler per packet). It will probably blink too fast for the eye to see (a scope would help though).

Same for A3 (which quickly blinks when a new config is received).
A4 will indicate the sniffer cannot keep up with the incoming packet stream. This should not happen as packets will be dropped.

[Yveaux]

@marceltrapman Hehe :+1:
Anyway, thanks for the update!

[Yveaux]

@Sparkman said:

@Yveaux Well strangely enough, after hooking up the LEDs, it now works. I've tried it on both the Pro Mini and on the Mega and am now capturing data. Does the sketch not work if the LEDs are not connected? Should I have commented out the #define LED_SUPPORTED line if the LEDs are not connected?

Very glad to hear that it's working now!

The LED_SUPPORTED being defined or not should only make a difference in code size, nothing else. The LED option was added after the sniffer was completely functional as some low-level indication of its status. It should work independent of LEDs being connected or not.

Thanks for the help and the quick replies. Much appreciated.

You're welcome! At least now I know the Mega's are also supported ;-)

[Sparkman]

@Yveaux said:

Very glad to hear that it's working now!

The LED_SUPPORTED being defined or not should only make a difference in code size, nothing else. The LED option was added after the sniffer was completely functional as some low-level indication of its status. It should work independent of LEDs being connected or not.

That's what I had thought as well, so not sure why it started working.

@Yveaux said:

You're welcome! At least now I know the Mega's are also supported ;-)

And the Pro Mini too!

Cheers
Al

[Sparkman]

In case anyone else is interested, I updated the sketch to work with a 20x4 LCD screen so that you can see how many packets have been captured. I used this LCD screen connected to the I2C interface. Make sure you get the correct LCD libraries for it as the default LCD libraries don't work with it. There's a link for them on the eBay page.

EDIT: There seems to be an issue capturing packets if it's also connected to the nrf24sniff program. It works fine standalone and also when BINARY_OUTPUT is undefined and talking to the Serial Monitor. I'l need to do more troubleshooting as to why.

Cheers
Al

/*
  NRF24_Sniff - An Arduino sketch to promiscuous capture all wireless
                traffic generated by Nordic Semi. NRF24L01+ modules.

  Created by Ivo Pullens, Emmission, 2014 -- www.emmission.nl
  Updated by Sparkman, 2015 - added LCD support

  This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
  it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
  the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
  (at your option) any later version.

  This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
  but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
  MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
  GNU General Public License for more details.

  You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
  along with this program.  If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
*/   
 
#include <Arduino.h>
#include <SPI.h>
#include <CircularBuffer.h>
#include <RF24.h>
#include <RF24_config.h>

#include <Wire.h>
#include <LiquidCrystal_I2C.h>

#define LED_SUPPORTED
#define LCD_SUPPORTED

// Hardware configuration
#define RF_CE_PIN                      (9)
#define RF_CS_PIN                      (10)
#define RF_IRQ_PIN                     (2)
#define RF_IRQ                         (RF_IRQ_PIN-2)                                           // Usually the interrupt = pin -2 (on uno/nano anyway)

#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
	#define LED_PIN_LISTEN         (A0)
	#define LED_PIN_RX             (A1)
	#define LED_PIN_TX             (A2)
	#define LED_PIN_CONFIG         (A3)
	#define LED_PIN_BUFF_FULL      (A4)
#endif

#ifdef LCD_SUPPORTED
	LiquidCrystal_I2C lcd(0x27,20,4);  // set the LCD address to 0x27 for a 20 chars and 4 line display
#endif

static uint32_t PacketCount = 0;
static uint8_t lostPacketCount = 0;

#define RF_MAX_ADDR_WIDTH              (5)                                                      // Maximum address width, in bytes. MySensors use 5 bytes for addressing, where lowest byte is for node addressing.
#define MAX_RF_PAYLOAD_SIZE            (32)
#define SER_BAUDRATE                   (115200)
#define PACKET_BUFFER_SIZE             (30)                                                     // Maximum number of packets that can be buffered between reception by NRF and transmission over serial port.
#define PIPE                           (0)                                                      // Pipe number to use for listening

// Startup defaults until user reconfigures it
#define DEFAULT_RF_CHANNEL             (76)                                                     // 76 = Default channel for MySensors.
#define DEFAULT_RF_DATARATE            (RF24_250KBPS)                                           // Datarate
#define DEFAULT_RF_ADDR_WIDTH          (RF_MAX_ADDR_WIDTH)                                      // We use all but the lowest address byte for promiscuous listening. First byte of data received will then be the node address.
#define DEFAULT_RF_ADDR_PROMISC_WIDTH  (DEFAULT_RF_ADDR_WIDTH-1)
#define DEFAULT_RADIO_ID               ((uint64_t)0xA8A8E1FC00LL)                               // 0xA8A8E1FC00LL = MySensors v2 (1.4) default
#define DEFAULT_RF_CRC_LENGTH          (2)                                                      // Length (in bytes) of NRF24 CRC
#define DEFAULT_RF_PAYLOAD_SIZE        (MAX_RF_PAYLOAD_SIZE)                                    // Define NRF24 payload size to maximum, so we'll slurp as many bytes as possible from the packet.

// If BINARY_OUTPUT is defined, this sketch will output in hex format to the PC.
// If undefined it will output text output for development.
#define BINARY_OUTPUT

#include "NRF24_sniff_types.h"

#ifndef BINARY_OUTPUT
	int my_putc( char c, FILE *t )
	{
	  Serial.write( c );
	}
#endif

// Set up nRF24L01 radio on SPI bus plus CE/CS pins
static RF24 radio(RF_CE_PIN, RF_CS_PIN);

static NRF24_packet_t bufferData[PACKET_BUFFER_SIZE]; 
static CircularBuffer<NRF24_packet_t> packetBuffer(bufferData, sizeof(bufferData)/sizeof(bufferData[0]));
static Serial_header_t serialHdr;
static volatile Serial_config_t conf = {
	DEFAULT_RF_CHANNEL,     DEFAULT_RF_DATARATE, DEFAULT_RF_ADDR_WIDTH,
	DEFAULT_RF_ADDR_PROMISC_WIDTH,  DEFAULT_RADIO_ID,    DEFAULT_RF_CRC_LENGTH,
	DEFAULT_RF_PAYLOAD_SIZE
	};

#define GET_PAYLOAD_LEN(p) ((p->packet[conf.addressLen-conf.addressPromiscLen] & 0xFC) >> 2) // First 6 bits of nRF header contain length.


inline static void dumpData(uint8_t* p, int len)
{
	#ifndef BINARY_OUTPUT
		while (len--) { printf("%02x", *p++); }
		Serial.print(' ');
	#else
		Serial.write(p, len);
	#endif
}

static void handleNrfIrq()
{
	// Loop until RX buffer(s) contain no more packets.
	while (radio.available())
	{
		#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
			digitalWrite(LED_PIN_RX, HIGH);
		#endif
		if (!packetBuffer.full())
		{
			#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
				digitalWrite(LED_PIN_BUFF_FULL, LOW);
			#endif

			NRF24_packet_t* p = packetBuffer.getFront();
			p->timestamp = micros();  // Micros does not increase in interrupt, but it can be used.
			p->packetsLost = lostPacketCount;
			uint8_t packetLen = radio.getPayloadSize();
			if (packetLen > MAX_RF_PAYLOAD_SIZE)
				packetLen = MAX_RF_PAYLOAD_SIZE;
		  
			radio.read( p->packet, packetLen );
		      
			// Determine length of actual payload (in bytes) received from NRF24 packet control field (bits 7..2 of byte with offset 1)
			// Enhanced shockburst format is assumed!
			if (GET_PAYLOAD_LEN(p) <= MAX_RF_PAYLOAD_SIZE)
			{
				// Seems like a valid packet. Enqueue it.
				packetBuffer.pushFront(p);
				PacketCount++;
			}    
			else
			{
			// Packet with invalid size received. Could increase some counter...
			}
			lostPacketCount = 0;
		}
		else
		{
			// Buffer full. Increase lost packet counter.
			#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
				digitalWrite(LED_PIN_BUFF_FULL, HIGH);
			#endif

			bool tx_ok, tx_fail, rx_ready;
			if (lostPacketCount < 255)
				lostPacketCount++;
			// Call 'whatHappened' to reset interrupt status.
			radio.whatHappened(tx_ok, tx_fail, rx_ready);
			// Flush buffer to drop the packet.
			radio.flush_rx();
		}
		#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
		    digitalWrite(LED_PIN_RX, LOW);
		#endif
	}
}  

static void activateConf( void )
{
	#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
		digitalWrite(LED_PIN_CONFIG, HIGH);
	#endif

	// Match MySensors' channel & datarate
	radio.setChannel(conf.channel);
	radio.setDataRate((rf24_datarate_e)conf.rate);

	// Disable CRC & set fixed payload size to allow all packets captured to be returned by Nrf24.
	radio.disableCRC();
	radio.setPayloadSize(conf.maxPayloadSize);

	// Configure listening pipe with the 'promiscuous' address and start listening
	radio.setAddressWidth(conf.addressPromiscLen);
	radio.openReadingPipe( PIPE, conf.address >> (8*(conf.addressLen - conf.addressPromiscLen)) );
	radio.startListening();

	// Attach interrupt handler to NRF IRQ output. Overwrites any earlier handler.
	attachInterrupt(RF_IRQ, handleNrfIrq, FALLING);    // NRF24 Irq pin is active low.

	// Initialize serial header's address member to promiscuous address.
	uint64_t addr = conf.address;  // TODO: probably add some shifting!
	for (int8_t i = sizeof(serialHdr.address)-1; i >= 0; --i)
	{
		serialHdr.address[i] = addr;
		addr >>= 8;
	}

	// Send config back. Write record length & message type
	uint8_t lenAndType = SET_MSG_TYPE(sizeof(conf), MSG_TYPE_CONFIG);
	dumpData(&lenAndType, sizeof(lenAndType));
	// Write config
	dumpData((uint8_t*)&conf, sizeof(conf) );

	#ifndef BINARY_OUTPUT
		Serial.print("Channel:     "); Serial.println(conf.channel);
		Serial.print("Datarate:    ");
		switch (conf.rate)
		{
			case 0: Serial.println("1Mb/s"); break;
			case 1: Serial.println("2Mb/s"); break;
			case 2: Serial.println("250Kb/s"); break;
		}
		Serial.print("Address:     0x");
		uint64_t adr = conf.address;
		for (int8_t i = conf.addressLen-1; i >= 0; --i)
		{
			if ( i >= conf.addressLen - conf.addressPromiscLen )
			{
				Serial.print((uint8_t)(adr >> (8*i)), HEX);
			}
			else
			{
				Serial.print("**");
			}
		}
		Serial.println("");
		Serial.print("Max payload: "); Serial.println(conf.maxPayloadSize);
		Serial.print("CRC length:  "); Serial.println(conf.crcLength);
		Serial.println("");
		 
		radio.printDetails();

		Serial.println("");
		Serial.println("Listening...");
	#endif
	#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
		digitalWrite(LED_PIN_CONFIG, LOW);
	#endif
	#ifdef LCD_SUPPORTED
		lcd.setCursor(0, 0);
		lcd.print("CH ");
		lcd.print(conf.channel);

		switch (conf.rate)
		{
			case 0: lcd.print(" @ 1Mb/s"); break;
			case 1: lcd.print(" @ 2Mb/s"); break;
			case 2: lcd.print(" @ 250kb/s"); break;
		}
	#endif

}

void setup(void)
{
	#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
		pinMode(LED_PIN_LISTEN,    OUTPUT);
		pinMode(LED_PIN_RX,        OUTPUT);
		pinMode(LED_PIN_TX,        OUTPUT);
		pinMode(LED_PIN_CONFIG,    OUTPUT);
		pinMode(LED_PIN_BUFF_FULL, OUTPUT);
		digitalWrite(LED_PIN_LISTEN,    LOW);
		digitalWrite(LED_PIN_RX,        LOW);
		digitalWrite(LED_PIN_TX,        LOW);
		digitalWrite(LED_PIN_CONFIG,    LOW);
		digitalWrite(LED_PIN_BUFF_FULL, LOW);
	#endif

	#ifdef LCD_SUPPORTED
		lcd.init();                      // initialize the lcd 
		lcd.backlight();
		lcd.clear();
		lcd.home();
	#endif

	Serial.begin(SER_BAUDRATE);

	#ifndef BINARY_OUTPUT
		fdevopen( &my_putc, 0);
		Serial.println("-- RF24 Sniff --");
	#endif

	radio.begin();

	// Disable shockburst
	radio.setAutoAck(false);
	radio.setRetries(0,0);

	// Configure nRF IRQ input
	pinMode(RF_IRQ_PIN, INPUT);

	#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
		digitalWrite(LED_PIN_LISTEN, HIGH);
	#endif
	#ifdef LCD_SUPPORTED
		lcd.setCursor(0, 1);
		lcd.print(PacketCount);
		lcd.print(" Packets");
		lcd.setCursor(0, 2);
		lcd.print(lostPacketCount);
		lcd.print(" Lost Packets");
	#endif

	activateConf();
}

void loop(void)
{
	while (!packetBuffer.empty())
	{
		#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
			digitalWrite(LED_PIN_TX, HIGH);
		#endif

		// One or more records present
		NRF24_packet_t* p = packetBuffer.getBack();
		int serialHdrLen = sizeof(serialHdr) - (conf.addressLen - conf.addressPromiscLen);
		serialHdr.timestamp   = p->timestamp;
		serialHdr.packetsLost = p->packetsLost;
	 
		// Calculate data length in bits, then round up to get full number of bytes.
		uint8_t dataLen = (    (serialHdrLen<<3)                 /* Serial packet header */
			+ ((conf.addressLen - conf.addressPromiscLen)<<3) /* NRF24 LSB address byte(s) */
			+ 9                                      /* NRF24 control field */
			+ (GET_PAYLOAD_LEN(p) << 3)                /* NRF24 payload length */
			+ (conf.crcLength << 3)                   /* NRF24 crc length */
			+ 7                                      /* Round up to full nr. of bytes */
			) >> 3;                                     /* Convert from bits to bytes */

		// Write record length & message type
		uint8_t lenAndType = SET_MSG_TYPE(dataLen, MSG_TYPE_PACKET);
		dumpData(&dataLen, sizeof(lenAndType));
		// Write serial header
		dumpData((uint8_t*)&serialHdr, serialHdrLen );
		// Write packet data
		dumpData(p->packet, dataLen - serialHdrLen);

		#ifndef BINARY_OUTPUT
			if (p->packetsLost > 0)
			{
				Serial.print(" Lost: "); Serial.print(p->packetsLost);
			}
			Serial.println(""); 
		#endif
		// Remove record as we're done with it.
		packetBuffer.popBack();
		#ifdef LED_SUPPORTED
			digitalWrite(LED_PIN_TX, LOW);
		#endif
	}

	#ifdef LCD_SUPPORTED
		lcd.setCursor(0, 1);
		lcd.print(PacketCount);
		lcd.print(" Packets");
		lcd.setCursor(0, 2);
		lcd.print(lostPacketCount);
		lcd.print(" Lost Packets");
	#endif
 
	// Test if new config comes in
	uint8_t lenAndType;
	if (Serial.available() >= sizeof(lenAndType) + sizeof(conf))
	{
		lenAndType = Serial.read();
		if ((GET_MSG_TYPE(lenAndType) == MSG_TYPE_CONFIG) && (GET_MSG_LEN(lenAndType) == sizeof(conf)))
		{
			// Disable nRF interrupt while reading & activating new configuration.
			noInterrupts();
			// Retrieve the new configuration
			uint8_t* c = (uint8_t*)(&conf);
			for (uint8_t i = 0; i < sizeof(conf); ++i)
			{
				*c++ = Serial.read();
			}
			// Clear any packets in the buffer and flush rx buffer.
			packetBuffer.clear();
			radio.flush_rx();
			// Activate new config & re-enable nRF interrupt.
			activateConf();
			interrupts();
		}
		else
		{
			#ifndef BINARY_OUTPUT
				Serial.println("Illegal configuration received!"); 
			#endif
			#ifdef LCD_SUPPORTED
				lcd.setCursor(0, 3);
				lcd.print("Illegal Config");
			#endif
		}
	}
}

[Yveaux]

It would be a noce idea to create a portable 'sniffer' which you could easily position around the house (compared to a laptop + sniffer).
If it could do charts like Wireshark, e.g.

it would be very easy to determine signal quality and the like!
Requires dissection on the sinffer, though.

[Sparkman]

@Yveaux Yes, creating a portable one is my target. I will need to learn more about the rf24 though. :wink: I also want to include a ping utility to allow coverage testing.

Cheers
Al

[marceltrapman]

So, remember that pcb I showed earlier.
This is what it looks like with a 3D printed green glow in the dark case around it :)

[maltimus]

A portable version of the nRF24L01+ sniffer could be extremely useful. Anyone know if it would be possible to combining a nRF24L01+ and an ESP8266 into an Arduino giving it the capability to transmit the nRF24L01+ data over WIFI to a computer running wireshark? I dont have the time to research the possibility right now, but will keep this in mind for the future.

[Yveaux]

@marceltrapman This thing looks psychedelic! :+1:

[Alain69]

Hello,
Great job !!! I am French so excuse my broken English. Does someone could guide me? At launch Wireshark, I have a message systematically "tvb_lenght The procedure entry point is not found in the dynamic link library C: \ Program Files (x86) \ Wireshark \ plugins \ 1.12.4 \ mysensors1.dll" then same for mysensors2, nrf24.dll, radiohead.dll. I'm sure I added DLL in Wireshark, and tried the 64b version and the 32b, under Windows 8.1. If someone has an idea, THANK YOU :)