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💬 Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors

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    shabba
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    #94

    I am doing the above (RAW with 5-7V on 3v minis). Would be great in a future revision to allow the bypass of the regulator. Also I jumped RAW to PWR and cut the trace from PWR so I could use a 2 pin header for power and ground :-)

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      sundberg84
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      #95

      @chuckconnors I will think about how to bypass the voltage regulator, but anyway you need to solder something (either a jumper or voltage regulator). Do you have any tips?

      Good tip with the raw/pwr. If you have not cut the pcb you also have the proto area where the first is VCC (3.3) and second is Gnd.

      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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      • sundberg84S sundberg84

        @chuckconnors I will think about how to bypass the voltage regulator, but anyway you need to solder something (either a jumper or voltage regulator). Do you have any tips?

        Good tip with the raw/pwr. If you have not cut the pcb you also have the proto area where the first is VCC (3.3) and second is Gnd.

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        chuckconnors
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        #96

        @sundberg84 I was able to use your marked up image to successfully build two nodes without problem. Thanks again for the help with hooking things up and for providing the board for purchase as well. I was able to build the whole thing in about 10 minutes even with my limited soldering abilities.

        The only gripe I have is that one of my boards had a hole for the 4.7uF cap that wasn't completely drilled out. It was easy enough to just solder to the nearby ground. This is a dirtyboards quality control issue. I'm hoping not to see this on any of my other boards. I guess I'll have to inspect them before adding the components for future nodes.

        All the best to you!

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          sundberg84
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          #97

          @chuckconnors! Thank you for those kind words - it is appreciated.
          To save your node without the hole for 4.7uF you can solder it directly on the nrf if needed. I hope you have great use for the boards in the future.

          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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          • sundberg84S sundberg84

            @chuckconnors! Thank you for those kind words - it is appreciated.
            To save your node without the hole for 4.7uF you can solder it directly on the nrf if needed. I hope you have great use for the boards in the future.

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            chuckconnors
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            #98

            @sundberg84 I'm about to make an aliexpress order and would like to get some voltage regulators. I scanned through the post but didn't see a BoM. Can you please tell me the part number for the voltage regulator used?

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              sundberg84
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              #99

              @chuckconnors - http://www.mysensors.org/store#regulators or http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5575069610&toolid=10001&campid=5337433187&customid=&icep_item=181612513907&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg

              Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
              MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
              MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
              RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                barduino
                wrote on last edited by barduino
                #100

                The boards have arrived!!! YES!!

                It took about 3 weeks between the shipping status and my mailbox. I guess I cant complain.

                0_1459186281454_IMG_0422.JPG

                @sundberg84 I do have another question.

                Are the pins A6, A7 and the extra ground (next to A6) connected at all? is it worth to solder a connector on them to the PCB?

                Edit: or maybe 2...
                D8 does not seem to be used, is this correct?

                Cheers

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                • barduinoB barduino

                  The boards have arrived!!! YES!!

                  It took about 3 weeks between the shipping status and my mailbox. I guess I cant complain.

                  0_1459186281454_IMG_0422.JPG

                  @sundberg84 I do have another question.

                  Are the pins A6, A7 and the extra ground (next to A6) connected at all? is it worth to solder a connector on them to the PCB?

                  Edit: or maybe 2...
                  D8 does not seem to be used, is this correct?

                  Cheers

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                  Samuel235
                  Hardware Contributor
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                  #101

                  @barduino

                  From the look of the design files, your are correct, A6 A7 and D8 are not connected. The GND pin is connected to the GND on the PCB, so just for the sake of ticking all the boxes, i would have that connected to the PCB from the Arduino.

                  Wait for @sundberg84's confirmation on my details, but from what i understand my observations stated above are correct. As i say though, wait for Sundberg's confirmation. I wish you happy tinkering with yet another awesome contribution from Sundberg. ;)

                  MySensors 2.1.1
                  Controller - OpenHAB (Virtual Machine)
                  Gateway - Arduino Mega MQTT Gateway W5100

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                    sundberg84
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                    #102

                    @barduino A6 and A7 is not connected, but as @Samuel235 said - the ground is connected to the PCB with a line to ground source. There are three grounds connected from the arduino (I dont know why exactly) and they are all connected/wired on the PCB.

                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                      barduino
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                      #103

                      @Samuel235 , @sundberg84 , thank you both

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                      • sundberg84S sundberg84

                        @chuckconnors - http://www.mysensors.org/store#regulators or http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5575069610&toolid=10001&campid=5337433187&customid=&icep_item=181612513907&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg

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                        Barna
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                        #104

                        @sundberg84
                        Hi,
                        The suppler has an similar product, is it usable for the same purpose?

                        http://www.ebay.com/itm/5x-DC-2V-5V-3-3V-Boost-Buck-Converter-315M-433M-2-4G-RF-Wireless-Module-/181768067370?hash=item2a5238992a

                        0.8-3.3V v. 2-5V ?
                        thanks

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                          sundberg84
                          Hardware Contributor
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #105

                          @Barna Its possible to use this, but you want as low as possible and not 2V. This means using 2xAA (3v max) you only have a range down to 2V before the booster wont work anymore. At this point if you have not changed the fuses in the arduino it will fail. I guess you could use this with 3XAA (4.5V) as well if thats what you are aiming for.

                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                          • sundberg84S sundberg84

                            @Barna Its possible to use this, but you want as low as possible and not 2V. This means using 2xAA (3v max) you only have a range down to 2V before the booster wont work anymore. At this point if you have not changed the fuses in the arduino it will fail. I guess you could use this with 3XAA (4.5V) as well if thats what you are aiming for.

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                            Barna
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #106

                            @sundberg84
                            ok, thanks. In that case some power will be left in the AAs, Am I right?
                            what do you advice if I need 5V for some sensors but I would like to use battery?
                            3xAA, 4xAA, 9V with regulator - is the lifetime of battery is efficient in this case ?

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                              sundberg84
                              Hardware Contributor
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #107

                              @Barna
                              That is a hard question, because i try to do 3.3v for battery and 5v for regulated power.
                              I have 1 node at this point running on a 9v battery and 5v arduino (motion detector) but without booster and battery measurment. I have removed led and at this point i have had it run for 4 weeks. I have NO clue about batterylife but I do not expect it to work pretty long.

                              Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                              MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                              MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                              RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                Dylano
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                                #108

                                mmmm i think that al this work, for a 4 weeks working sensor is not a good solution for a home automation system....
                                Why can a Zwave or 433Mhz motion sensor work for more then a year...
                                Is my biggest question..
                                Forum link

                                Is there relay now solution for a battery live for a year...
                                Other bord, other sketch, other regulator, other battery...

                                or...

                                Domoticz, with a lot of working hardware, include mysensors :-)
                                OpenPLI, RuneAudio, Solarmeter, etc......

                                Not a great builder of software and hardware, more a user...
                                Only i try to do my best :-(

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                                  mmmm i think that al this work, for a 4 weeks working sensor is not a good solution for a home automation system....
                                  Why can a Zwave or 433Mhz motion sensor work for more then a year...
                                  Is my biggest question..
                                  Forum link

                                  Is there relay now solution for a battery live for a year...
                                  Other bord, other sketch, other regulator, other battery...

                                  or...

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                                  Sander Teunissen
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #109

                                  @Dylano Google for low power arduino mini. Or arduino mini on battery. I've got one running now for half a year on two aaa batteries. Only lost 10% or something.
                                  (Quickest is to remove the led and the voltage regulator)

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                                    sundberg84
                                    Hardware Contributor
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                                    #110

                                    @Dylano Im not sure if I understand what you mean. This PCB does not support 433mhz or Zwave. You need to make that a question in the forum. I have nodes with this PCB now almost running for a year, and reporting good battery level.

                                    As Sander told you above, remove led and voltage regulator on a 3.3v arduino and you will run a mysensor node for a year:
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                                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                        Alexander
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                                        @Sander-Teunissen I have some rev6 that I am willing to sell. Let me know if you are interested.

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                                          #113

                                          If someone has one of these left in germany or nearby i'm willing to buy one for daugther-board dev purposes.

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