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  • alexsh1A Offline
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    alexsh1
    wrote on last edited by alexsh1
    #270

    @tbowmo The problem has been identified. I have used a hot fan to re-sit W5100 on the network shield.
    AND

    0;255;3;0;9;2430 MCO:BGN:INIT GW,CP=RNNGS---,VER=2.2.0-beta
    0;255;3;0;9;2477 TSF:LRT:OK
    0;255;3;0;9;2487 TSM:INIT
    0;255;3;0;9;2497 TSF:WUR:MS=0
    0;255;3;0;9;2512 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
    0;255;3;0;9;2522 TSM:INIT:GW MODE
    0;255;3;0;9;2532 TSM:READY:ID=0,PAR=0,DIS=0
    0;255;3;0;9;2542 MCO:REG:NOT NEEDED
    IP: 10.1.1.200
    0;255;3;0;9;3852 MCO:BGN:STP
    0;255;3;0;9;3862 MCO:BGN:INIT OK,TSP=1
    

    Still cannot ping it, which means there is still a problem with the shield.
    It is of a poor quality and does have multiple bridges around W5100 like this:
    0_1495292173685_HTB1VJAfNFXXXXaGXFXXq6xXFXXXF.jpg

    I found a similar problem here:
    https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/156147/are-solder-bridges-on-chips-always-bad

    At least I know where the problem is.
    Thanks @tbowmo

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    • tbowmoT Offline
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      tbowmo
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      wrote on last edited by tbowmo
      #271

      @alexsh1

      Great, that we found the problem, and thanks for reporting back here on the forum :)

      I haven't tried with other ethernet controllers, than the W5100, And the socket for W5100 is supplied with 5V directly.

      Also, I do not know if they are pin compatible?

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      • tbowmoT tbowmo

        @alexsh1

        Great, that we found the problem, and thanks for reporting back here on the forum :)

        I haven't tried with other ethernet controllers, than the W5100, And the socket for W5100 is supplied with 5V directly.

        Also, I do not know if they are pin compatible?

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        alexsh1
        wrote on last edited by alexsh1
        #272

        @tbowmo I think they are pin compatible but unfortunately take different voltage. On arduino board, somebody told me that enc28j60 can tolerate 5V. It seems to be the case, as mine survived w5100 socket

        EDIT: From the enc28j60 datasheet

        • Operating Voltage of 3.1V to 3.6V (3.3V typical)
        • 5V Tolerant Input
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        • tbowmoT tbowmo

          @alexsh1

          Great, that we found the problem, and thanks for reporting back here on the forum :)

          I haven't tried with other ethernet controllers, than the W5100, And the socket for W5100 is supplied with 5V directly.

          Also, I do not know if they are pin compatible?

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          alexsh1
          wrote on last edited by
          #273

          @tbowmo I can confirm now that everything is working fine after I tested the Sensebender GW with the third (yes, third!!!) shield. Thanks Thomas for your help!

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          • alexsh1A Offline
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            alexsh1
            wrote on last edited by
            #274

            @tbowmo The pinout is identical.

            W5100
            alt text

            ENC28J60
            alt text

            I can modify ENC28J60 shield (reduce voltage to 3.3V) and test it with the sensebender GW, but it does require hardware mod

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            • nitroburnN Offline
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              wrote on last edited by
              #275

              Question,
              "To use the serial port in the mysx connector, you should use Serial1 in your sketches, as the default Serial is connected to the USB serial device"

              What pins is the serial port in the mysx connector, I see no mention of it other than that line. I want to mirror the serial data sent to my controller via the USB port to the the serial port in the mysx connector that will then be attached to a bluetooth SPP device. Just want another way to view the radio traffic.

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              • tbowmoT Offline
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                tbowmo
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                wrote on last edited by tbowmo
                #276

                @nitroburn

                Have you seen the documentation for MysX connector: https://www.mysensors.org/hardware/mysx?

                (hint, look for Data To Module, and Data From Module :))

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                • tbowmoT tbowmo

                  @nitroburn

                  Have you seen the documentation for MysX connector: https://www.mysensors.org/hardware/mysx?

                  (hint, look for Data To Module, and Data From Module :))

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                  Anticimex
                  Contest Winner
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #277

                  @tbowmo @nitroburn
                  Actually, it is even more clearly specified than that as DTM and DFM means Data To MCU and Data From MCU. "module" is not explicitly defining what "side" you mean. The MCU is clearly defined so DTM and DFM leavs no doubt on the direction and function of the pin.

                  Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                  • nitroburnN Offline
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                    nitroburn
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #278

                    @tbowmo @Anticimex Thanks, I was stupidly searching for the wrong combination of terms and hadn't seen DTM DFM used so I was naively looking for the word serial or UART rather than USART when I did a search. Thought I was missing something and didn't read the mysx page close enough after briefly searching it.

                    Thanks for clearing that up. #define MYSX_D1_DFM (00ul) & #define MYSX_D2_DTM (01ul) didn't stand out to me as serial connections.

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                    • scalzS scalz

                      @alexsh1
                      woops, yes i made it but forgot the upload. it's now uploaded here https://www.mysensors.org/hardware/sensebender-gateway#design-files

                      Enjoy :)

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                      zboblamont
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #279

                      @scalz Can somebody edit the descriptive text for this Gateway. Under 'Secure IiT Radio Network' is quoted 'Hope RF RFM69HCW' whereas under 'Setup and use' is correctly quoted RFM69(H)W.
                      Guess who had ordered the incorrect 'CW' module for this Gateway....

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                      • zboblamontZ zboblamont

                        @scalz Can somebody edit the descriptive text for this Gateway. Under 'Secure IiT Radio Network' is quoted 'Hope RF RFM69HCW' whereas under 'Setup and use' is correctly quoted RFM69(H)W.
                        Guess who had ordered the incorrect 'CW' module for this Gateway....

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                        tbowmo
                        Admin
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #280

                        @zboblamont

                        Sorry about that, it sneaked through the reviews.. I have updated the page, so others don't fall into the same pitfall..

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                        • magpernM Offline
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                          magpern
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #281

                          Is it really correct that orange, green and red led should light constantly when powered on. On some activity from the sensors the leds blink, but goes to full constant light directly.

                          An other thing, inclusion button. In sketch this is commented out, should it?

                          // Digital pin used for inclusion mode button
                          //#define MY_INCLUSION_MODE_BUTTON_PIN  3
                          
                          

                          For me it is like GW is in constant inclusion mode. Gateway seams to work, it shows up in controller, and as soon as a sensor is powered up, it automatically also appears in controller... feels very unsecure. Just give power to a random sensor and it is in my controller.

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                          • hekH Offline
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                            hek
                            Admin
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #282

                            @Magnus-Pernemark

                            You can reverse the led behaviour by defining:

                            #define MY_WITH_LEDS_BLINKING_INVERSE

                            Presentation messages is always forwarded to controller. Inclusion mode must be implemented/supported by the controller for it to work.

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                            • hekH hek

                              @Magnus-Pernemark

                              You can reverse the led behaviour by defining:

                              #define MY_WITH_LEDS_BLINKING_INVERSE

                              Presentation messages is always forwarded to controller. Inclusion mode must be implemented/supported by the controller for it to work.

                              magpernM Offline
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                              magpern
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #283

                              @hek Thanks, I'll try that. The controller is Domoticz. Does Domoticz have a flaw when it comes to inclusion? (I guess it must have, since any random sensor gets included automatically).

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                              • magpernM magpern

                                @hek Thanks, I'll try that. The controller is Domoticz. Does Domoticz have a flaw when it comes to inclusion? (I guess it must have, since any random sensor gets included automatically).

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                                Anticimex
                                Contest Winner
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #284

                                @Magnus-Pernemark I am not sure domoticz support inclusion at all.

                                Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                • magpernM magpern

                                  @hek Thanks, I'll try that. The controller is Domoticz. Does Domoticz have a flaw when it comes to inclusion? (I guess it must have, since any random sensor gets included automatically).

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                                  alexsh1
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #285

                                  @Magnus-Pernemark inclusion mode is not for Domoticz but for Vera. For Domoticz if you want to secure your sensors you need to use signing between the sensors and the GW and reject any sensor without signing

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                                  • alexsh1A alexsh1

                                    @Magnus-Pernemark inclusion mode is not for Domoticz but for Vera. For Domoticz if you want to secure your sensors you need to use signing between the sensors and the GW and reject any sensor without signing

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                                    magpern
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #286

                                    @alexsh1 Feels like this could be changed, so inclusion also would work for domoticz. A also have a z-wave module hooked up to domoticz and for the z-wave there is inclusion. Just have to find the right person for it :)

                                    Yes the signing. I have tried. I want everything on the mysensors network to use signing, I have enabled the MY_SIGNING_ATSHA204, all sensors have the same keys in the chip. Is it using the signing if I have done this? I will try and hook up a sensor without the correct keys and see what happens. Just have to solder it first.

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                                    • magpernM magpern

                                      @alexsh1 Feels like this could be changed, so inclusion also would work for domoticz. A also have a z-wave module hooked up to domoticz and for the z-wave there is inclusion. Just have to find the right person for it :)

                                      Yes the signing. I have tried. I want everything on the mysensors network to use signing, I have enabled the MY_SIGNING_ATSHA204, all sensors have the same keys in the chip. Is it using the signing if I have done this? I will try and hook up a sensor without the correct keys and see what happens. Just have to solder it first.

                                      AnticimexA Offline
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                                      Anticimex
                                      Contest Winner
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #287

                                      @Magnus-Pernemark there is quite extensive documentation on how to use signing. I presume you have read it? It's on the homepage (and the forum). You need to enable a signing backend and you need to enable requirement for signatures if your node is to require it (signing does not have to go both ways).
                                      So no, if you have only personalized your atsha devices and enabled the atsha backend, it does not mean signing is enabled unless you on at least one node or gw have enabled MY_SIGNING_REQUEST_SIGNARURES.

                                      Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                      • AnticimexA Anticimex

                                        @Magnus-Pernemark there is quite extensive documentation on how to use signing. I presume you have read it? It's on the homepage (and the forum). You need to enable a signing backend and you need to enable requirement for signatures if your node is to require it (signing does not have to go both ways).
                                        So no, if you have only personalized your atsha devices and enabled the atsha backend, it does not mean signing is enabled unless you on at least one node or gw have enabled MY_SIGNING_REQUEST_SIGNARURES.

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                                        magpern
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #288

                                        @Anticimex Thanks. Yes I have read it and read it and read it... doesn't mean I understand it or know what to do, unfortunately. At this point I am only using the standard examples, the standard GWserial and standard sensebender micro sketch. Without modifications, except for the MY_SIGNING_ATSHA204.
                                        It is so much to go through.

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                                        • magpernM magpern

                                          @Anticimex Thanks. Yes I have read it and read it and read it... doesn't mean I understand it or know what to do, unfortunately. At this point I am only using the standard examples, the standard GWserial and standard sensebender micro sketch. Without modifications, except for the MY_SIGNING_ATSHA204.
                                          It is so much to go through.

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                                          Anticimex
                                          Contest Winner
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #289

                                          @Magnus-Pernemark then you support signing, but you don't use it.
                                          There are several examples in the documentation which in code showes exactly what you need to define for various use cases.

                                          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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