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  • hekH Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    @epierre
    Humidity and Temp would have to be reported on some other child sensors from the node.

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      wrote on last edited by epierre
      #10

      @hek From Davide Gironi exchanges, he warned me about the sharp sensor I'd prefer we make a moratory on using it for it seems that it is more expensive and less usefull that two other ones:

      I've tested GP2Y1010AU0F (http://davidegironi.blogspot.it/2013/08/an-optical-dust-meter-that-uses.html)
      but about the GP2Y1010AU0F read some usefull information here: http://aqicn.org/experiments/haier-air-box/
          
      and also start testing th DSM501 and PPD42NS, those two are really interesting.
          
      About the DSM501 Michael Taylor write an interesting paper:
      http://www.takingspace.org/wp-content/uploads/MAMHSolutionNarrative-HabitatMap+NYU+CMU.pdf
      And also release some interesting code about a moving avarage algorithm.
      He also has a DataRAM machine and he correlate the cheap DSM501 to the DataRAM.
      [...]
      
      Another interesting paper can be found here:
      http://aqicn.org/sensor/shinyei/
      
      And the David Holstius paper and his blog too is really interesting (look at chapter 3):
      http://www.davidholstius.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Holstius2014dissertation.pdf
      

      z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
      rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
      mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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        Hello,

        I juste received the Shinyei PPD42NS which is way cheaper than the sharp.

        So far the Sharp never reported more than 1 ppm of dust... and, from above discussion, is not considered as a good one.

        So I merged in two different sketches :
        https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/DustSensor_Shinyei_PPD42NS.ino
        https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/DustSensor_Sharp_GP2Y1010AU.ino

        z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
        rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
        mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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        • epierreE Offline
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          #12

          Hello,

          So far no answer from the Shinyei PPD42NS, not even with a pencil...

          I've contacted someone who has one working (Daivde Gironi again ;-) and here is his answer:

           Check the ouput with a scope. It may be a broken sensor.
          

          I've not currently any oscilloscope, whould this approch with a Uno be enough ?

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          rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
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          • epierreE epierre

            Hello,

            I juste received the Shinyei PPD42NS which is way cheaper than the sharp.

            So far the Sharp never reported more than 1 ppm of dust... and, from above discussion, is not considered as a good one.

            So I merged in two different sketches :
            https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/DustSensor_Shinyei_PPD42NS.ino
            https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/DustSensor_Sharp_GP2Y1010AU.ino

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            @epierre said:

            PPD42NS

            I googled for it and it seems to be twice the cost of the Sharp on ebay?!
            E.g.: $47 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-For-New-original-Japan-honor-god-dust-PPD42NS-sensor-PPD42NS-/261205083569?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd10945b1
            vs the Sharp: $23 http://www.ebay.com/itm/171259125886

            Am I missing something?

            http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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            • epierreE epierre

              Hello,

              So far no answer from the Shinyei PPD42NS, not even with a pencil...

              I've contacted someone who has one working (Daivde Gironi again ;-) and here is his answer:

               Check the ouput with a scope. It may be a broken sensor.
              

              I've not currently any oscilloscope, whould this approch with a Uno be enough ?

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              wrote on last edited by
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              @epierre said:

              Check the ouput with a scope

              Does he mean the analog or pulse output?
              For the analog output a multimeter will suffice, and some multimeters can also measure frequency from a digital output...
              Building a whole 'scope' just to test some analog/digital signals seems like overkill.

              http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                epierre
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                #15

                @Yveaux the PPD42NS is $18 on aliexpress S/H included...

                yes this is about the digital output, to check the pulseIn for LOW time.

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                • YveauxY Yveaux

                  @epierre said:

                  Check the ouput with a scope

                  Does he mean the analog or pulse output?
                  For the analog output a multimeter will suffice, and some multimeters can also measure frequency from a digital output...
                  Building a whole 'scope' just to test some analog/digital signals seems like overkill.

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                  epierre
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                  wrote on last edited by
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                  @Yveaux said:

                  Does he mean the analog or pulse output?

                  On the Sharp, this is the pulse for the concentration is based on the frequency of the signal.

                  For the analog output a multimeter will suffice, and some multimeters can also measure frequency from a digital output...
                  Building a whole 'scope' just to test some analog/digital signals seems like overkill.

                  for my TAOS TSL201R, I've plugged my signal analyzer, they are all good (clock and SI). The output is the AnalogOut, how can a multimeter do that ? (I have a fluke 87 1st generation)

                  z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                  rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
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                  • epierreE epierre

                    @Yveaux said:

                    Does he mean the analog or pulse output?

                    On the Sharp, this is the pulse for the concentration is based on the frequency of the signal.

                    For the analog output a multimeter will suffice, and some multimeters can also measure frequency from a digital output...
                    Building a whole 'scope' just to test some analog/digital signals seems like overkill.

                    for my TAOS TSL201R, I've plugged my signal analyzer, they are all good (clock and SI). The output is the AnalogOut, how can a multimeter do that ? (I have a fluke 87 1st generation)

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                    wrote on last edited by
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                    @epierre said:

                    The output is the AnalogOut, how can a multimeter do that ?

                    Just measure the output voltage. A multimeter will follow as long as the output only slowly changes.

                    http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                      #18

                      I would like to notice that this setup of sharp dust sensor outputs highly unreliable measurements.

                      Sensor should be connected as recommended in application note.
                      If that is so then:

                      • turn on IR LED (logical 0 on sharp pin 3, and optionally pause for 0.28ms),

                      • then analog read,

                      • turn off IR LED ( (logical 1).

                      Application note recommends taking reads 0.28ms after turning IR LED on.
                      Is there a reason why you skipped RC components and do not delay in microseconds?

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                      Experimenting with bootstrap and d3 for NodeJsController front-end

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                      • mooM moo

                        I would like to notice that this setup of sharp dust sensor outputs highly unreliable measurements.

                        Sensor should be connected as recommended in application note.
                        If that is so then:

                        • turn on IR LED (logical 0 on sharp pin 3, and optionally pause for 0.28ms),

                        • then analog read,

                        • turn off IR LED ( (logical 1).

                        Application note recommends taking reads 0.28ms after turning IR LED on.
                        Is there a reason why you skipped RC components and do not delay in microseconds?

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                        wrote on last edited by
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                        @moo said:

                        I would like to notice that this setup of sharp dust sensor outputs highly unreliable measurements.

                        Yes, this is hy I asked for a moratory on the shop and went out to try other versions which are cheaper (the DSM501 and the Shinyei PPD42NS) .

                        I received a dead Shinyei PPD42NS, and am still in escalation on aliexpress on that.

                        Is there a reason why you skipped RC components and do not delay in microseconds?
                        You are open to try to improve the above sketch, there is no reason, this is just the implementation I found and tried out, I guess it can still be improved as your remark.

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                        rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
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                          wrote on last edited by epierre
                          #20

                          The SamYoung DSM501 has now its sketch :

                          https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/DustSensor_SamYoung_DSM501.ino

                          @hek this one is very cheap but much better than the SHARP GP2Y1010AU0F which reports nearly nothing... I recomment to remove it. You can use this sketch as is to replace it in the library examples, I will work further on it to provide PM1 and PM2.5 values (either or both), it looks fairly simple with a resistor and a formula, yet to be tested.

                          When I'll receive the Shinyei I'll do the same, given the SamYoung is its cheaper clone.

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                            The Shinyei PPD42 has now its sketch :
                            https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/DustSensor_Shinyei_PPD42NS.ino
                            @hek either the SamYoung or Shinyei can be proposed, the sharp is definetly out of the race ...

                            Both those sensors give similar values whih is a very good point.

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                              The Shinyei PPD42 has now its sketch :
                              https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/DustSensor_Shinyei_PPD42NS.ino
                              @hek either the SamYoung or Shinyei can be proposed, the sharp is definetly out of the race ...

                              Both those sensors give similar values whih is a very good point.

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                              rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
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                                A good question I had from Rob:

                                What is the Unit of the Dust sensors ? I quess it is not in ppm ?

                                This is in particules per cubic inch (in imperial units) or particules per 283 ml.

                                I can't find a ppm conversion, at best I could do a particules per litres by multiplicating per 3.53. what do you think ?

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                                  #24

                                  ok so taking some assumptions for the PPD42NS with datasheet in particle per cubic feet:

                                  http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/dylos.cfm

                                   To estimate the mass of particles in this range we simply divided by 100 to obtain micrograms per cubic meters (μg/m3) of PM2.5 respirable. The resultant value can be converted to mg/m3 if desired by dividing again by 1000. 
                                  
                                   PM2.5 = (753*3.53) / 100 = 25.2395 μg/m3  = 0.0252395 mg/m3
                                  

                                  Now for the DSM501 and PPD42NS corrected, the formula to PPM:

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollutant_concentrations

                                  ppmv=mg/m3 * (0.08205*Tmp)/Molecular_mass
                                  ppmv=0.0252395 *  (0.08205*19)/0,01 = 0,207
                                  

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                                    Warning on Shinyei:

                                    The only calibration data provided by the manufacturer's datasheet is for cigarette smoke particle count concentration. Based on these data, there is an approximate error of 25% in particle measurement across most of the sensor's range. At very low concentrations, the error becomes substantial (e.g., over 50% error below 100,000 particles per cubic feet) 
                                    

                                    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/271225140_A_distributed_network_of_low-cost_continuous_reading_sensors_to_measure_spatiotemporal_variations_of_PM2.5_in_Xi'an_China

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                                      #26

                                      Does anyone have info on how to wire the GP2Y1010AU0F?

                                      My cable is almost the same as on the picture https://www.mysensors.org/build/dust

                                      The red, black and yellow is in the same place, but from there it goes white, green, blue.

                                      EDIT: Found that Red is vcc, black is signal and yellow is ground.
                                      Do this sensor need calibration?
                                      And what is considered a high value for dust?

                                      And is it only those three wires that needs to be connected to the arduino? Not the led?

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