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💬 Roller Shutter Node

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  • scalzS Offline
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    scalz
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    wrote on last edited by
    #76

    well, it is a zener, not wheeling diode, which should be enough..
    http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/MDC3105-D.PDF
    perhaps not for nrf! cool if it improves.

    sidenote: i won't change nrf version in future. as i only have rfm69 (doing nrf was bonus), i don't want to waste my time improving both! and i have enough pcb ahah

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    • TakeroT Offline
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      Takero
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      wrote on last edited by
      #77

      Dont Care :-) its cool. Zenner its not enoth but dont worry. I need it .. the nrf is verry "female" :-D (sensible). But i think for both version, you have to modify the current messurment. No Roller shutter has >200w so u are on the Limit below 100w of adc scale.

      But hey it Works and your Layout is verry cool and Safe.

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      • F Offline
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        Fabien
        wrote on last edited by
        #78

        Very stange. Zener in forward side is equivalent to classical diode.
        @Takero, you change the amplifier ? Wich mods did you make ?

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        • TakeroT Offline
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          Takero
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          wrote on last edited by Takero
          #79

          I was a little bit bussy the last days.
          My Nodes are completed installed right now, it works well. BUT, i had to change some thinks.

          I had the Probleme of automatic reset of the device if i set the shutter to 50% or anythink else 0% or 100%.
          The Diode alone dont solve these Probleme. I think the Problem is to stop the shutter while running. If i set it to 100% or 0% the shutter shut of before the relay falls down.

          I solve the Problem with a 220uF Capacitor at the 3.3V Out and deactivate the BOD.

          My Fuses right now: L: CF // H:DA // E:07

          Now it works very well!!

          @Fabien: I dont change the amp . . i just tested some thinks but it wont work . . for i dont use the current messurment and setup the Node with the manual endstop. It works realy good!

          Finaly again, Thanks @scalz

          The Temp. of the devices is below 30°C ;-)

          In the picture the green temp.

          0_1481916187089_Unbenannt.JPG

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          • F Offline
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            fabiancrg
            wrote on last edited by
            #80

            Hi
            I was wondering if the ACS712 can detect the current if the roller shutter power is 85W?

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            • kduinoK Offline
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              kduino
              wrote on last edited by
              #81

              Hi, there is something similar available although without an ac712. So you can't check the percentage o the shutter.
              See https://github.com/JanGoe/esp8266-wifi-relay
              I had one at home and it is working well. Because of the esp8266 it is directly connected to any controller using udp or MQTT or other protocols.
              The only problem is the missing box. I have to admit I wouldn't put this in my wall without a proper box using AC 240 V!!!
              The project you proposed is of course the most advanced. Do you think there is a smaller version available perhaps less parts on the BOM and easy to build?
              Thank you very much, kduino

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                Fabien
                wrote on last edited by Fabien
                #82

                Cloudy/rainning day ... Good for MySensors
                0_1491138689145_IMG_20170402_145718.jpg

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                • F Offline
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                  Fabien
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #83

                  There is a mistake on the above photo. Radios are on the wrong way (180°)

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                  • F Offline
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                    Fabien
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #84

                    @scalz, little mistake on BOM, C4 is 100n AND 10n ..

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                    • Sergio RodriguesS Offline
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                      Sergio Rodrigues
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #85

                      Hi, I make this project, pretty cool.

                      How I can upload the firmware? What I need to do?

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                      • scalzS Offline
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                        scalz
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                        wrote on last edited by scalz
                        #86

                        @Sergio-Rodrigues
                        It's better to talk about this here instead of private, so other people can learn or help you ;)

                        it's "like" programming an arduino board.

                        1. in arduino ide, program bootloader (for these, i used the sensebender board in Board manager).
                        2. Then, with a FTDI adapter, program the rollershutter sketch.

                        For more infos on programming arduino:

                        • see official docs from arduino website
                        • https://www.mysensors.org/about/fota for a bootloader programming example

                        What do you need to know exactly ??

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                          Fabien
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #87

                          Finnaly I find a solution with a very good WAF !
                          I want to keep a sort of manual command (not gateway or controller dependant) and I don't want an expensive solution (my ODACE schneider button are quite expensive and I don't want to buy other button).
                          But these button measure 38mm depth and @scalz board is about 20mm. My wall boxes are 50mm !
                          Si I find some special wall boxes with an enclosure for home automation module. It's cheap (about 3€) and very well designed (french RT2012 compliant). I update the sketch with MY_TRANSPORT_WAIT_READY_MS so node can work alone. And I update sketch to work with bistable button. Works well on 2 windows since yesterday.
                          Here is a photo before :
                          0_1505166550880_IMG_20170911_233746.jpg

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                          • hekH Offline
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                            hek
                            Admin
                            wrote on last edited by hek
                            #88

                            Almost looks like this type type of part-rubber box that can be mounted without tearing down the wall:
                            0_1505167914932_1426270.jpg

                            https://www.eldirekt.se/elmaterial/elinstallation/infallda-dosor/multidosa-big-box

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwoyoTrJr4g

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                              Fabien
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #89

                              Some other photos (sorry, first one is not in the same room) :
                              0_1505251878615_IMG_20170912_174015.jpg
                              0_1505251889179_IMG_20170912_110933.jpg
                              0_1505251895779_IMG_20170912_111143.jpg
                              0_1505251903528_IMG_20170912_111331.jpg

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                                Fabien
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #90

                                One test screenshot (not definitive) of my habpanel (openHab 2.0 part).
                                I'm using OpenHAB mysensors binding (from @TimO), node-red for rules, habpanel for UI, Tasker on android (for example open all RollerShuter just after morning alarm !).
                                I can access OpenHAB via nginx reverse proxy with https and on my LAN, home automation have a separate VLAN (for security reasons). Thanks a lot to @scalz for this module.
                                0_1505252614465_Capture du 2017-09-12 23-36-35.png

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                                  Soloam
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                                  wrote on last edited by Soloam
                                  #91

                                  @scalz great work, sorry to dig up the topic, but good topics never die ( :) ). Can you clarify some questions?

                                  • Way did you used 2 different relays? Way not only one type?
                                  • What is the Amp consumption of your motors? I know that 10A is overkill, but just to get one idea. Would 2A do it? (at 220V)
                                  • I see that you added a 8Mhz Cristal, way not use the internal clock? It's 8Mhz
                                  • I see that you use a relay driver, correct me if I'm wrong, that is because the rated coil consumption to those relays is 80mA.

                                  Thank You
                                  Great Work

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #92

                                    @Soloam
                                    2 relay for interlocking system and add more security.
                                    I never mesure my current but it's low ... not 10A !
                                    Internal clock is not very precise and can vary with external parameters like temperature. And for this project it's better to have good precision.
                                    It's always better to use relay driver and not directly arduino pin.

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                                      @Soloam
                                      2 relay for interlocking system and add more security.
                                      I never mesure my current but it's low ... not 10A !
                                      Internal clock is not very precise and can vary with external parameters like temperature. And for this project it's better to have good precision.
                                      It's always better to use relay driver and not directly arduino pin.

                                      SoloamS Offline
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                                      Soloam
                                      Hardware Contributor
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #93

                                      @fabien said in 💬 Roller Shutter Node:

                                      @Soloam
                                      2 relay for interlocking system and add more security.
                                      I never mesure my current but it's low ... not 10A !
                                      Internal clock is not very precise and can vary with external parameters like temperature. And for this project it's better to have good precision.
                                      It's always better to use relay driver and not directly arduino pin.

                                      Thank you @Fabien all very clarifying, only one thing that I don't understand (sorry, but I like to use this projects to learn and improve my personal knowledge) I still don't understand way the relays are different model numbers, from what I can see, one is 4 pins, and the other 5 pins, or I'm miss interpreting?

                                      Thank you

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                                      • gohanG Offline
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                                        gohan
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                                        wrote on last edited by gohan
                                        #94

                                        one relay only needs to be on/off while the other needs to select between up and down motion.

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                                        • scalzS Offline
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                                          scalz
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                                          wrote on last edited by scalz
                                          #95

                                          @Soloam
                                          about relays, imagine there would be two same relays:

                                          • two SPDT would not make sense here, plus it would add more pins.

                                          • two SPST wouldn't be secure, there could be a moment where you could have both relays activated (for example in case pins are not well set on startup, or of bad sketch). That would not be great for motor.
                                            So there is one (SPST) to enable power flowing to the SPDT which toggle between UP or DOWN.

                                          • there are parts on my schematic which could be optional. I always put as much footprints as I can, for reference, and especially when I need to fix something it's handy.
                                            Sure crystal could be optional, and you could burn sensebender bootloader for example, or like fabien said it's good to have. It's an AC powered node, so not really needed to try saving something. And also, if you're paranoid about sourcing cheap, and why not out of specs, atmel on aliexpress, then you have the footprints available.

                                          • the relay driver is nice because it helps protecting atmel and improve reliability. It integrates all parts for relays in one package (transistors, diodes, resistors etc.) so it simplifies schematic and takes less place on pcb too.

                                          • 10amp omron relays, better oversize, so you're sure they won't suffer :) and the board can be used for other stuff needing more power than rollershutters in case.

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