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  • gohanG Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #82

    I got my am312 and I confirm the blind spots and a range of about 3 meters. I'll have to try to use a bigger lens from the 501 and see what happens.
    PS I also compared side by side with a radar sensor and have to say I am impressed with the sensibility and the "all-around" visibility

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    • sundberg84S sundberg84

      @NeverDie - A good idea again... just took for granted that was handeled in the sensor since im used to that with the other pirs... silly me. I will give it a shot later.

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      #83

      @sundberg84 Did you get it working? I have exactly the same problem.

      I added a 10K pullup resistor but still no luck.

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      • maghacM maghac

        @sundberg84 Did you get it working? I have exactly the same problem.

        I added a 10K pullup resistor but still no luck.

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        #84

        @maghac - no and I didnt have time to try the pulldown either. My next step would be a transistor. I see a current reaching 114uA when triggered so the module works but maybe 114uA isnt enough to trigger the interupt? Someone that knows?

        Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
        RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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        • sundberg84S sundberg84

          @maghac - no and I didnt have time to try the pulldown either. My next step would be a transistor. I see a current reaching 114uA when triggered so the module works but maybe 114uA isnt enough to trigger the interupt? Someone that knows?

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          NeverDie
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          #85

          @sundberg84 said in PIR am312:

          @maghac - no and I didnt have time to try the pulldown either. My next step would be a transistor. I see a current reaching 114uA when triggered so the module works but maybe 114uA isnt enough to trigger the interupt? Someone that knows?

          I never actually hooked mine up to an atmega328p. I just had it in a test jig, where an nfet turned on/off an LED based on the voltage of the middle pin. That worked fine.

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          • Nca78N Offline
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            #86

            So I soldered an am612 to NModule PIR shield, put an SR501 lens but unfortunately I experience a similar behavior with some blind zones where I can move with the PIR bothering to trigger. I'll do more tests (especially when playing with sensitivity, it's supposed to be at max value now) but it is disappointing at the moment :(

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            • gohanG Offline
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              #87

              If you move across its field of view it triggers without many problems but when moving towards the sensor in those "blind spots" you can get almost in front of it without being detected. Agreed it is very annoying

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                I never actually played around with SR501's. Do they have the same type of "blind spot" issue? I know that for professional grade motion detectors, it's not uncommon to have two PIR's inside them. I had always thought it was for avoiding false alarms, but maybe it's more of a coverage issue.

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                • gohanG Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by gohan
                  #89

                  The SR501 I tested at home has actually better range and coverage. I am now testing the radar sensors and they seems interesting as they "see" through walls too :D

                  PS of course radar sensors are good only for powered sensors

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                  • gohanG gohan

                    The SR501 I tested at home has actually better range and coverage. I am now testing the radar sensors and they seems interesting as they "see" through walls too :D

                    PS of course radar sensors are good only for powered sensors

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                    @gohan said in PIR am312:

                    The SR501 I tested at home has actually better range and coverage. I am now testing the radar sensors and they seems interesting as they "see" through walls too :D

                    PS of course radar sensors are good only for powered sensors

                    Yes radar sensors seem great, I have received one (5.8GHz version with 2 PCB boards) and ordered RCWL-0516. I will test them for detection through my false ceiling, but I'm not sure they will be stable when powered using HLKs ?

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                      #91

                      there is only one way to find out. :D

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                      • gohanG gohan

                        there is only one way to find out. :D

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                        wrote on last edited by Nca78
                        #92

                        @gohan said in PIR am312:

                        there is only one way to find out. :D

                        Yes and I will but I have so much MySensors stuff to finish first, I will have to stay frustrated about that for some time :D

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                        • NeverDieN Offline
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                          NeverDie
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                          #93

                          I received the generic lens (on the right), which looks different than the SR501 lens (on the left):
                          0_1497290076309_new_pir_lens.jpg
                          I don't know if it's better or worse, as I haven't yet received my am612's. The good news, though, is that it's a very good fit for my primitive breakout board (shown in the photo on the right). I haven't yet received NCA78's breakout board, but I believe we're using the same spacing on our lens attachment holes.

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                            I received my lenses too today. In black color (but should not change the behavior, it's just for aesthetics).
                            Exactly the same lens design as the SR501 version. i hope your version will give better results as it's very different.

                            I'll still install some AM612 PIRs in my home and see if the "problem" is really one when installed on ceiling to detect presence in a room. Else the next solution is to make a board with 2 PIR's with different orientation/rotation.

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                              I received my lenses too today. In black color (but should not change the behavior, it's just for aesthetics).
                              Exactly the same lens design as the SR501 version. i hope your version will give better results as it's very different.

                              I'll still install some AM612 PIRs in my home and see if the "problem" is really one when installed on ceiling to detect presence in a room. Else the next solution is to make a board with 2 PIR's with different orientation/rotation.

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                              #95

                              @Nca78

                              Have you tried mounting either the am612 or the lens at different heights? It seems we're shooting in the dark a little bit as to whether it's even focused as it should be or not.

                              It's not clear why this sensor would be worse than others in terms of blind spots. Aren't blind spots an optics issue?

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                                For anyone who is interested in this topic, I posted some comments about the am612 on this other thread: https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/5986/pir-am312-412-612

                                It may have some relevance to the am312.

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