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    MattiMan
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    #106

    Hello!
    I would like to use NRF24+PA radio, but when I try to use it instead normal NRF24 radio in MQTT-gateway it just dont work. I cant make connection between sensors and gateway.

    Normal radio works just fine, but the range is a bit short for me.

    I tried the low power setting also, but no help.

    What should I do to make it work?

    I use Domoticz as my controller.

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    • M MattiMan

      Hello!
      I would like to use NRF24+PA radio, but when I try to use it instead normal NRF24 radio in MQTT-gateway it just dont work. I cant make connection between sensors and gateway.

      Normal radio works just fine, but the range is a bit short for me.

      I tried the low power setting also, but no help.

      What should I do to make it work?

      I use Domoticz as my controller.

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      mfalkvidd
      Mod
      wrote on last edited by
      #107

      Welcome to the MySensors community @mattiman !
      Could you post the debug logs of the node and the gateway? That's usually the quickest way to get a hint on what is wrong.

      If you haven't already, you can also look at https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/666/debug-faq-and-how-ask-for-help/ which has recommendations on the most common problems and how to troubleshoot them.

      People have also been helped by this: http://blog.blackoise.de/2016/02/fixing-your-cheap-nrf24l01-palna-module/

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        pepson
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        #108

        Hi
        I use Arduino Pro Mini 5V and i want user radio RFM69HW. I must use logic level converter from 5V to 3.3V to connect radio or i can only reduce power from 5V to 3.3V to VCC ?
        On this page is nothing describe that i must use logic level converter,...but some users on this page write that i must use:
        https://www.openhardware.io/view/268/RFM69HW-interstitial-board-for-Arduino-Pro-Mini#tabs-comments

        Now i have connected only with reduce power to 3.3V but my Arduino not working still time. Only some minutes to test...

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          gohan
          Mod
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          #109

          It was already answered to you in another topic and if you read in the openhardware project it is clearly stated that it is meant for pro mini 3.3v. If you connected it to a 5v pro mini you most likely fried the RFM69 module.

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            pepson
            wrote on last edited by pepson
            #110

            I connect to 5V Arduino but i use AMS1117 to step down power 5v to 3.3V and radio still working.

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            • pepsonP pepson

              I connect to 5V Arduino but i use AMS1117 to step down power 5v to 3.3V and radio still working.

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              manutremo
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              #111

              I have two of my nodes using rfm69hw and mini pro 5v 17mhz. I only step down the power line to 3.3v, the comms lines work just fine with 5v. I also remember reading somewhere that this is actually the case, even though the datasheet says the opposite.

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                gohan
                Mod
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                #112

                I'd follow the datasheet and don't take the risk of frying the radio.

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                  manutremo
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                  #113

                  They've been working for more than 6 months now as part of a test run and are not yet fried.

                  There is other people around reporting the same with at least the rfm69HW. I remember someone stating that the new models are more robust in this regard than older models, in spite of the manufacturer not yet stating 5v tolerance in the data pins.

                  In fact the datasheet never mentions 5v intolerance, and it does never actually mention a max voltage for the data pins, only for Vdd.

                  It seems like the board does something with the voltages in the data pins anyways, since if it was using the definitions of the logic levels (as a percent of Vdd) as they appear in the datasheet, it should not be able to communicate at all with a 5v arduino when powered at 3.3v and no logic level shifter on the data pins - but it does.

                  This doesn't mean this is good practice, directions in the datasheet are there for some reason and my nodes will eventually get a logic level shifter when they finally go into their final case. But reality is it seems at least RFM69HW can tolerate 5v for months without being fried.

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                    gohan
                    Mod
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                    #114

                    still I would not advise someone to go ahead and use them without a level shifter as I would not take responsibility to damage someone else hardware 3.3V is still able to talk to 5V, depends on how large is the tolerance zone around the 2.5V grey zone of the arduino

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                      manutremo
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                      #115

                      I would not expect anyone to put or take responsability on anyone for a piece of advice. I think we are here to help each other by sharing information and our own experiences.

                      The full picture should be more than clear at this point for anyone reading this and other threads, but I will clarify once more. Best practice is using the rfm69 family with a logic level converter when connected with a 5v arduino, given that as of today the manufacturer's datasheet is not 100% clear on this area. From a problem solving perspective, keep in mind, however, that should a converter not be in place for any reason, the setup might or might not work, so if it doesn't don't discard it as a cause but don't take it for granted at 100%. And even if it works, do plan for adding a converter.

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                        jkandasa
                        Plugin Developer
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #116

                        @hek @mfalkvidd RFM95 radio part connection details are missing.

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                          maghac
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                          #117

                          Is it possible to change any of the radio pins 9, 10, 11 to something else? The reason is that I'd like to use 4 PWM pins and currently I only have pins 3,5,6 available on my Pro Mini.

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                          • maghacM maghac

                            Is it possible to change any of the radio pins 9, 10, 11 to something else? The reason is that I'd like to use 4 PWM pins and currently I only have pins 3,5,6 available on my Pro Mini.

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                            mfalkvidd
                            Mod
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #118

                            @maghac yes. Redefining for example the nss/cs pin is possible as described on the connecting the radio page.

                            For more exact i structions we'd need to know which radio you are using.

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                              maghac
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                              #119

                              Thanks - I use NRF24 radios.

                              I found MY_RF24_CE_PIN which I redefined to pin 8 which worked absolutely fine.

                              The problem I have now is that now cannot use the Newbie PCB anymore :cold_sweat: :wink:

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                              • maghacM maghac

                                Thanks - I use NRF24 radios.

                                I found MY_RF24_CE_PIN which I redefined to pin 8 which worked absolutely fine.

                                The problem I have now is that now cannot use the Newbie PCB anymore :cold_sweat: :wink:

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                                mfalkvidd
                                Mod
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #120

                                @maghac doh!
                                How about using a software pwm library instead? I have not tried any, but I have seen this before: https://github.com/Palatis/arduino-softpwm

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                                • maghacM maghac

                                  Thanks - I use NRF24 radios.

                                  I found MY_RF24_CE_PIN which I redefined to pin 8 which worked absolutely fine.

                                  The problem I have now is that now cannot use the Newbie PCB anymore :cold_sweat: :wink:

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                                  sundberg84
                                  Hardware Contributor
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #121

                                  @maghac cut the trace with a small knife and re-attach it with a wire.

                                  Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                  MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                  MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                  RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                  • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                                    @maghac doh!
                                    How about using a software pwm library instead? I have not tried any, but I have seen this before: https://github.com/Palatis/arduino-softpwm

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                                    maghac
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                                    #122

                                    @mfalkvidd Maybe I'll give that a try.

                                    I think FOTA will fail as the bootloader will try to initialise the radio with the default pin, right? Then I'll need software pwm or recompile my own bootloader.

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                                    • maghacM maghac

                                      @mfalkvidd Maybe I'll give that a try.

                                      I think FOTA will fail as the bootloader will try to initialise the radio with the default pin, right? Then I'll need software pwm or recompile my own bootloader.

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                                      gohan
                                      Mod
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #123

                                      @maghac or go for dual optiboot

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                                      • gohanG gohan

                                        @maghac or go for dual optiboot

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                                        maghac
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                                        #124

                                        @gohan But then I would need additional hardware to use DualOptiBoot?

                                        Anyone have any quick instructions on how to build a new custom version of MySensorsBootLoader using MY_RF24_CE_PIN = 8 :wink:

                                        I have access to ArduinoIDE on Windows or a Ubuntu 16.04 box.

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                                        • maghacM maghac

                                          @gohan But then I would need additional hardware to use DualOptiBoot?

                                          Anyone have any quick instructions on how to build a new custom version of MySensorsBootLoader using MY_RF24_CE_PIN = 8 :wink:

                                          I have access to ArduinoIDE on Windows or a Ubuntu 16.04 box.

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                                          gohan
                                          Mod
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #125

                                          @maghac yes, an spi flash chip. It is not a bad solution since the firmware is transferred during normal node operation and if it fails nothing bad happens.

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