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  • Jarno BurgerJ Offline
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    Jarno Burger
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    #89

    I did a test with a variable power supply , and I can confirm that the pro mini does weird stuff at smaller then 3v, but it works at 3.3v.. I have now also ordered those 3.3v up-boosters (because I already bought the battery mounts) mentioned here.

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      #90

      What would be the best approach if I wanted a battery powered node using a 5V sensor? I want to build a secret knock sensor but I want it to be battery powered.

      I was thinking about using 3xAA batteries (3x1.6 would be 4.8V max) and a 5V step-up converter and then power the sensor and the arduino (on the raw pin, since it's a 3.3V arduino). The radio would be powered from the VCC on the arduino.

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        #91

        I think that isn't going to be a very efficient way. Are you sure there isn't any 3.3V sensor you could use?

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        • maghacM maghac

          What would be the best approach if I wanted a battery powered node using a 5V sensor? I want to build a secret knock sensor but I want it to be battery powered.

          I was thinking about using 3xAA batteries (3x1.6 would be 4.8V max) and a 5V step-up converter and then power the sensor and the arduino (on the raw pin, since it's a 3.3V arduino). The radio would be powered from the VCC on the arduino.

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          ileneken3
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          #92

          @maghac

          Consider this option:
          Use 2 AA batteries.
          Change the BOD on the arduino to something lower than the 2.8V default.
          Power everything from the batteries except the sensor.
          Use the 5V step-up converter only for the sensor.

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          • ileneken3I ileneken3

            @maghac

            Consider this option:
            Use 2 AA batteries.
            Change the BOD on the arduino to something lower than the 2.8V default.
            Power everything from the batteries except the sensor.
            Use the 5V step-up converter only for the sensor.

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            maghac
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            #93

            @ileneken3 Good idea, i think I'll design it that way. I also had a closer look on eBay and found another sensor that runs on 3.3v.

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            • mppM Offline
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              #94

              "Disconnect or desolder the 3.3 VDC regulator because it is not needed." => Why it isn't needed? I assume it is needed when connecting a sensor that requires 3.3V (e.g. HTU21d or even the RFM69)? I assume the assumption made here is that you're using 2 AA 1.5V batteries? I'm using 3 LR44 (3x1.55V) so I suppose I still need the regulator.

              MyController with USB powered WeMos D1/mini ESP8266 MQTT Gateways and battery powered Arduino Pro Mini using the RFM69 radio

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              • mppM mpp

                "Disconnect or desolder the 3.3 VDC regulator because it is not needed." => Why it isn't needed? I assume it is needed when connecting a sensor that requires 3.3V (e.g. HTU21d or even the RFM69)? I assume the assumption made here is that you're using 2 AA 1.5V batteries? I'm using 3 LR44 (3x1.55V) so I suppose I still need the regulator.

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                @mpp the line below the one you are quoting says "Power the device with two AA batteries connected in series". So yes, your assumption that 2 AA batteries is used is correct.

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                  #96

                  Hi, i've got a barebones arduino circuit set up with a dht22 sensor. It's powered off 2 aa batteries. All works well with the two batteries even when they are running at about 3.0 volts combined (it would probably run at lower voltages but batteries haven't gone down that far yet). If i power directly from usb with my ftdi interface all works. However, when i add the 3.3v step up, the radio doesn't get a response from the nrf gateway anymore. I have a 4.7u capacitor on the nrf. The gateway is receiving some data but not all as i can see "mygateway1-out/0/255/0/0/18 2.1.1" in my mqtt broker every couple of seconds but the mysensors client never seems to get fully initialised. I've tried two or three of the step ups and checked the voltage with a multimeter and i'm getting circa 3.3v. One thing i did notice is that when i swapped in one of my 3 dht22's it worked initially but then stopped, the other two wouldn't (all work without the step up). I think this is a bit of a red herring but putting in here for information. Any thoughts?

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                  • rozpruwaczR Offline
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                    rozpruwacz
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                    #97

                    share your schematic. from what you are describing it seems like the step up converter is not able to provide enough current.

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                      #98

                      could be also noise generated from the booster, in fact you could run the NRF24 directly from battery since it can still work down to 1.9V

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                      • rozpruwaczR Offline
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                        #99

                        but the dht22 would not work, it requires at least 3.3v (however i succesuffly used it with 3V). I think that NRF has some decoupling capacitors onboard, so unless the boost converter design is not totaly wrong it shouldn't be a problem. schematic would be helpful.

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                        • rozpruwaczR rozpruwacz

                          but the dht22 would not work, it requires at least 3.3v (however i succesuffly used it with 3V). I think that NRF has some decoupling capacitors onboard, so unless the boost converter design is not totaly wrong it shouldn't be a problem. schematic would be helpful.

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                          FatBeard
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                          @rozpruwacz 0_1498042165035_Mini Arduino Sensor W FTDI Double Sided Ordered_bb.jpg

                          Here is my breadboard design, i'm afraid the schematic in fritzing isn't really in a state to post here. It's unreadable. The resistors shown in the diagram wouldn't have the correct values i used. The values i used are from the arduino site for creating an arduino. The ones shown are used for the sake of creating a pcb. The DHT22 goes on the 4 pin header, the NRF goes on the 8 pin header.

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                            @rozpruwacz 0_1498042165035_Mini Arduino Sensor W FTDI Double Sided Ordered_bb.jpg

                            Here is my breadboard design, i'm afraid the schematic in fritzing isn't really in a state to post here. It's unreadable. The resistors shown in the diagram wouldn't have the correct values i used. The values i used are from the arduino site for creating an arduino. The ones shown are used for the sake of creating a pcb. The DHT22 goes on the 4 pin header, the NRF goes on the 8 pin header.

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                            FatBeard
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                            #101

                            @FatBeard I should point out that the step up was an afterthought and it was the ground and vout of the stepup were connected directly to the power rail along the bottom. It powers the whole circuit.

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                              rozpruwacz
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                              @FatBeard said in 💬 Battery Powered Sensors:

                              goes on

                              ok, but what about boost converter ? as i understand the problem is when You use the boost converter ? is it some kind of module ? or your design ?

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                              • rozpruwaczR rozpruwacz

                                @FatBeard said in 💬 Battery Powered Sensors:

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                                ok, but what about boost converter ? as i understand the problem is when You use the boost converter ? is it some kind of module ? or your design ?

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                                FatBeard
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                                #103

                                @rozpruwacz Ya, it's a module and it's the 3.3v step up module recommended on this page. Thanks for your help by the way

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                                  rozpruwacz
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                                  @FatBeard said in 💬 Battery Powered Sensors:

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                                  which one ? could you paste a link ?

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                                  • rozpruwaczR rozpruwacz

                                    @FatBeard said in 💬 Battery Powered Sensors:

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                                    which one ? could you paste a link ?

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                                    #105

                                    @rozpruwacz This one here on aliexpress.

                                    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-PC-NEW-DC-0-8-3-3V-to-DC-3-3V-StepUP-Boost-Power-Mini/32724005061.html

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                                      rozpruwacz
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                                      #106

                                      unless the dht22 pull up resistor is not to low, which would cause large current when the data pin is held low, i don;t see any mistakes ... are you able to measure the current drawn from the boost converter ?

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                                      • rozpruwaczR rozpruwacz

                                        unless the dht22 pull up resistor is not to low, which would cause large current when the data pin is held low, i don;t see any mistakes ... are you able to measure the current drawn from the boost converter ?

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                                        FatBeard
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                                        #107

                                        @rozpruwacz Both resistors are 10k. I can measure the amps, i'll do this tonight and get back to you. thanks again

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                                          rozpruwacz
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                                          one other thought, what type of nrf module You use in your gateway ? from my expirience i know that the PA+LNA modules are very sensitive to noise. Do you have other sensors in your network that are affected ? maybe it is the problem with the gateway nrf module and not the sensors nfr module ? You can try to shield the modules somehow.

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