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  • gohanG Offline
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    #98

    could be also noise generated from the booster, in fact you could run the NRF24 directly from battery since it can still work down to 1.9V

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      but the dht22 would not work, it requires at least 3.3v (however i succesuffly used it with 3V). I think that NRF has some decoupling capacitors onboard, so unless the boost converter design is not totaly wrong it shouldn't be a problem. schematic would be helpful.

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      • rozpruwaczR rozpruwacz

        but the dht22 would not work, it requires at least 3.3v (however i succesuffly used it with 3V). I think that NRF has some decoupling capacitors onboard, so unless the boost converter design is not totaly wrong it shouldn't be a problem. schematic would be helpful.

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        @rozpruwacz 0_1498042165035_Mini Arduino Sensor W FTDI Double Sided Ordered_bb.jpg

        Here is my breadboard design, i'm afraid the schematic in fritzing isn't really in a state to post here. It's unreadable. The resistors shown in the diagram wouldn't have the correct values i used. The values i used are from the arduino site for creating an arduino. The ones shown are used for the sake of creating a pcb. The DHT22 goes on the 4 pin header, the NRF goes on the 8 pin header.

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          @rozpruwacz 0_1498042165035_Mini Arduino Sensor W FTDI Double Sided Ordered_bb.jpg

          Here is my breadboard design, i'm afraid the schematic in fritzing isn't really in a state to post here. It's unreadable. The resistors shown in the diagram wouldn't have the correct values i used. The values i used are from the arduino site for creating an arduino. The ones shown are used for the sake of creating a pcb. The DHT22 goes on the 4 pin header, the NRF goes on the 8 pin header.

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          #101

          @FatBeard I should point out that the step up was an afterthought and it was the ground and vout of the stepup were connected directly to the power rail along the bottom. It powers the whole circuit.

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            @FatBeard said in 💬 Battery Powered Sensors:

            goes on

            ok, but what about boost converter ? as i understand the problem is when You use the boost converter ? is it some kind of module ? or your design ?

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            • rozpruwaczR rozpruwacz

              @FatBeard said in 💬 Battery Powered Sensors:

              goes on

              ok, but what about boost converter ? as i understand the problem is when You use the boost converter ? is it some kind of module ? or your design ?

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              #103

              @rozpruwacz Ya, it's a module and it's the 3.3v step up module recommended on this page. Thanks for your help by the way

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                @FatBeard said in 💬 Battery Powered Sensors:

                recommended

                which one ? could you paste a link ?

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                • rozpruwaczR rozpruwacz

                  @FatBeard said in 💬 Battery Powered Sensors:

                  recommended

                  which one ? could you paste a link ?

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                  @rozpruwacz This one here on aliexpress.

                  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-PC-NEW-DC-0-8-3-3V-to-DC-3-3V-StepUP-Boost-Power-Mini/32724005061.html

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                    #106

                    unless the dht22 pull up resistor is not to low, which would cause large current when the data pin is held low, i don;t see any mistakes ... are you able to measure the current drawn from the boost converter ?

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                    • rozpruwaczR rozpruwacz

                      unless the dht22 pull up resistor is not to low, which would cause large current when the data pin is held low, i don;t see any mistakes ... are you able to measure the current drawn from the boost converter ?

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                      @rozpruwacz Both resistors are 10k. I can measure the amps, i'll do this tonight and get back to you. thanks again

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                        #108

                        one other thought, what type of nrf module You use in your gateway ? from my expirience i know that the PA+LNA modules are very sensitive to noise. Do you have other sensors in your network that are affected ? maybe it is the problem with the gateway nrf module and not the sensors nfr module ? You can try to shield the modules somehow.

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                          #109

                          Try adding a 0,1uF cheramic capacitor on the booster from Out to Gnd. Also external capacitor on the radio is crusial!

                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                            #110

                            The NRF is a NRF24L01+ without the antenna on the gateeway and all of the sensors. I'm going to try the capacitor idea now. I'll try measuring current shortly too.

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                              I made progress. So the capacitor idea doesn't seem to work. However rozpruwacz suggested measuring the current which I did. I disconnected the negative wire and put my multimeter in between the negative from the battery and the ground pin on the step up module. I measured 72ma when the device powers up, then it runs at .16ma when in sleep mode. But here is the thing, in this configuration, mysensors worked as a thermometer. I got humidity and temperature readings from the sensor to my mqtt server through the gateway over the nrfs. When I removed the multimeter again from the equation it stopped working. Surely this would hint at what the problem is for someone more familiar with electronics than myself?

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                                Any thoughts on what I could do to fix the issue permanently without the multimeter?

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                                  why don't you connect the radio directly to battery?

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                                    #114

                                    this is very wierd ... maybe try another nrf module ? also try what gohan suggested. But it should work as it is. I have similar configuration, but the boost converter has pass trough mode, so i can switch it on and off from the atmega and have no problems with that setup, no matter if the boost converter is os or off, the communication is ok. Can you upload a picture of your setup ? maybe we see something you didn't realize is important to say.

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                                      I made progress. So the capacitor idea doesn't seem to work. However rozpruwacz suggested measuring the current which I did. I disconnected the negative wire and put my multimeter in between the negative from the battery and the ground pin on the step up module. I measured 72ma when the device powers up, then it runs at .16ma when in sleep mode. But here is the thing, in this configuration, mysensors worked as a thermometer. I got humidity and temperature readings from the sensor to my mqtt server through the gateway over the nrfs. When I removed the multimeter again from the equation it stopped working. Surely this would hint at what the problem is for someone more familiar with electronics than myself?

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                                      #115

                                      @FatBeard - Could it be that the step up booster are making alot of noice. When you connect your multimeter it works in some way like a filter and reduces the noice?

                                      I have made alot of these sensors and i strongly suggest you connect i like @gohan suggest - radio directly to the bat.

                                      This is how i have created my EasyPCB and with alot of trial and error - radio + booster isnt a good idea.

                                      https://www.openhardware.io/view/4/EasyNewbie-PCB-for-MySensors

                                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                      • sundberg84S sundberg84

                                        @FatBeard - Could it be that the step up booster are making alot of noice. When you connect your multimeter it works in some way like a filter and reduces the noice?

                                        I have made alot of these sensors and i strongly suggest you connect i like @gohan suggest - radio directly to the bat.

                                        This is how i have created my EasyPCB and with alot of trial and error - radio + booster isnt a good idea.

                                        https://www.openhardware.io/view/4/EasyNewbie-PCB-for-MySensors

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                                        #116

                                        @sundberg84 Ok, thanks guys. I'll try your suggestions out tonight. I would have preferred to do it through the step up to get the most out of the batteries but maybe this is not practical.

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                                          #117

                                          maybe you could use the booster, but you would need to analyze the kind of noise and build a specific filter for that.

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