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  • bjacobseB bjacobse

    @zboblamont
    In Sweden you need a certified installer to exchange your pipes, else in case of water damage your insurance won't cover.
    so cheapest for me is a RPI with camera - but yes I would prefer a "real" measuring from a dedicated sensor

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    @bjacobse I believe you can replace the meter yourself if you own it yourself and have the necessary skills. I live in such an area and was told I could mount it myself if I was confident enough. But of course, the fault will be yours if your bad job causes damages. In reality it is quite unlikely that you can mount it badly and not notice the problem immediately.

    A more critical issue is that water meters are usually owned by the municipality or water company and they are sealed. It is impossible to replace the meter without breaking the seal and when the company notices they won't be happy at all.

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      @bjacobse I believe you can replace the meter yourself if you own it yourself and have the necessary skills. I live in such an area and was told I could mount it myself if I was confident enough. But of course, the fault will be yours if your bad job causes damages. In reality it is quite unlikely that you can mount it badly and not notice the problem immediately.

      A more critical issue is that water meters are usually owned by the municipality or water company and they are sealed. It is impossible to replace the meter without breaking the seal and when the company notices they won't be happy at all.

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      zboblamont
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      #84

      @fredswed And by extension (Possibly Swedish water suppliers differ from UK or Romanian counterparts?) the data retrieved from their devices is often regarded as their property also, and brick walls begin to appear ino what should be readily shared data. If they will not share, fitting a downstream device within your own control can often be the only solution, don't interfere, augment...

      As a perverse example, my own gas and electricity suppliers are the German monolith EON who provide and enable access to their 'graphs' online, updated with 1 or 2 month readings (gas and electricity).
      Having checked the base data for their graphs, I realised they were presenting a lovely graph based on complete bunkum, and developed and maintained my own ever since, which IS accurate. I checked recently and their graphs are still pretty but complete rubbish.
      Installing a gas meter sensor caused EON palpitations until they realised it was the commercial device for the meter and could not object on technicalities then quietly dropped objections, I don't care how they respond when I fit meters to the Consumer box, it is nowhere near their SMART meter which tells me nothing but tells them much, mainly that I halved their 2 monthly bill ;) .
      If the service provider will allow detailed sharing of YOUR data, all good and well as it is mutually beneficial, but if not, easy enough to solve at your own expense.
      I fitted two replacement upgraded radiators in the last month, somewhere a Romanian regulation lurks that I should not have done so, but the insurer doesn't give a damn unless it is found to have caused the demise of the insured property.. Is it worth the risk? Hell yes...

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        JohnLi
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        It looks very interesting. I complied and uploaded successful, but it ran without run the loop function at all. infrared sensor lighted up but no print out attached Serial.print.
        Can you give us the url to the library #include <MySensors.h>?. I am using MySensors 2.3.1 loaded from Adruino IDE->Tools->Manage Libary->search My Sensors from https://www.mysensors.org

        4:55:53.476 -> 60127 TSM:FAIL:RE-INIT
        14:55:53.476 -> 60129 TSM TSM:FAIL:DIS
        14:55:53.476 -> 900384 TSF:TDI:TSL
        14:55:54.962 ->
        14:55:54.962 -> __ __ ____
        14:55:54.962 -> | / |_ / | ___ _ __ ___ ___ _ __ ___
        14:55:54.962 -> | |/| | | | _
        \ / _ \ _ \/ __|/ _ \|
        _/ __|
        14:55:54.962 -> | | | | |
        | || | / | | _ \ _ | | _
        14:55:54.962 -> |
        | |
        |_
        , |/ ___|| ||/_/|| |/
        14:55:54.962 -> |
        __/ 2.3.1
        14:55:54.962 ->
        14:55:54.962 -> 16 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA---,REL=255,VER=2.3.1
        14:55:54.962 -> 26 TSM:INIT
        14:55:54.962 -> 27 TSF:WUR:MS=0
        14:55:54.997 -> 33 !TSM:INIT:TSP FAIL
        14:55:54.997 -> 35 TSM:FAIL:CNT=1
        14:55:54.997 -> 37 TSM:FAIL:DIS

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          gohan
          Mod
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          #86

          it looks like it is can't find the radio module. Check cables and pins numering

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            executivul
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            #87

            Sorry to hijack the thread a bit,
            I'm using a TCRT5000 sensor to read a water meter (Zenner), it works ok until it stops detecting pulses, I have to increase the sensitivity (clockwise turn the trimpot) and it works ok for another few days/weeks, then again it needs an increase in sensitivity, like somehow it's loosing it's sensitivity .
            I'm already with my second sensor, the first one got to the end of the trimpot and couldn't adjust anymore.

            Has this happened to anyone else? It's powered by 5V, it's the LED losing power or the photosensor losing sensitivity? Any ideas?
            Thanks.

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              gohan
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              #88

              Don't you have another sensor to try?

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                Alehandro06
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                #89

                @flopp which box did you buy for m-bus readings? did you work it out?
                ''I was so lucky that my water company change the meter to a meter with wireless m-bus.
                So I bought a box for this and now I have 100% correct readings.''

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                  bereska
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                  #90

                  Water Meter shows up in mysensors.json and homeassistant logs but fails to appear in Homeassistant GUI.
                  I have a dozen Nodes already successfully operating
                  I used the default sketch on this page. Just added Node 6
                  Looks like values are not getting through
                  Thank you for your help

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                    bereska
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                    this is HA log:

                    2019-07-04 23:24:05 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Received message on mygateway1-out/6/255/3/0/11: b'Water Meter',
                    2019-07-04 23:24:05 DEBUG (MainThread) [mysensors.gateway_mqtt] Receiving 6;255;3;0;11;Water Meter,
                    2019-07-04 23:24:23 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Received message on mygateway1-out/6/255/3/0/11: b'Water Meter',
                    2019-07-04 23:24:23 DEBUG (MainThread) [mysensors.gateway_mqtt] Receiving 6;255;3;0;11;Water Meter

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                      this is HA log:

                      2019-07-04 23:24:05 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Received message on mygateway1-out/6/255/3/0/11: b'Water Meter',
                      2019-07-04 23:24:05 DEBUG (MainThread) [mysensors.gateway_mqtt] Receiving 6;255;3;0;11;Water Meter,
                      2019-07-04 23:24:23 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Received message on mygateway1-out/6/255/3/0/11: b'Water Meter',
                      2019-07-04 23:24:23 DEBUG (MainThread) [mysensors.gateway_mqtt] Receiving 6;255;3;0;11;Water Meter

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                      bereska
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #92

                      here is the sketch:

                      // Enable debug prints to serial monitor
                      #define MY_DEBUG
                      
                      // Enable and select radio type attached
                      #define MY_RADIO_RF24
                      #define MY_NODE_ID 6
                      //#define MY_RADIO_NRF5_ESB
                      //#define MY_RADIO_RFM69
                      //#define MY_RADIO_RFM95
                      
                      #include <MySensors.h>
                      
                      #define DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR 3                  // The digital input you attached your sensor.  (Only 2 and 3 generates interrupt!)
                      
                      #define PULSE_FACTOR 1000                       // Number of blinks per m3 of your meter (One rotation/liter)
                      
                      #define SLEEP_MODE false                        // flowvalue can only be reported when sleep mode is false.
                      
                      #define MAX_FLOW 40                             // Max flow (l/min) value to report. This filters outliers.
                      
                      #define CHILD_ID 1                              // Id of the sensor child
                      
                      uint32_t SEND_FREQUENCY =
                          30000;           // Minimum time between send (in milliseconds). We don't want to spam the gateway.
                      
                      MyMessage flowMsg(CHILD_ID,V_FLOW);
                      MyMessage volumeMsg(CHILD_ID,V_VOLUME);
                      MyMessage lastCounterMsg(CHILD_ID,V_VAR1);
                      
                      double ppl = ((double)PULSE_FACTOR)/1000;        // Pulses per liter
                      
                      volatile uint32_t pulseCount = 0;
                      volatile uint32_t lastBlink = 0;
                      volatile double flow = 0;
                      bool pcReceived = false;
                      uint32_t oldPulseCount = 0;
                      uint32_t newBlink = 0;
                      double oldflow = 0;
                      double volume =0;
                      double oldvolume =0;
                      uint32_t lastSend =0;
                      uint32_t lastPulse =0;
                      
                      void setup()
                      {
                        // initialize our digital pins internal pullup resistor so one pulse switches from high to low (less distortion)
                        pinMode(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR, INPUT_PULLUP);
                      
                        pulseCount = oldPulseCount = 0;
                      
                        // Fetch last known pulse count value from gw
                        request(CHILD_ID, V_VAR1);
                      
                        lastSend = lastPulse = millis();
                      
                        attachInterrupt(digitalPinToInterrupt(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR), onPulse, FALLING);
                      }
                      
                      void presentation()
                      {
                        // Send the sketch version information to the gateway and Controller
                        sendSketchInfo("Water Meter", "1.1");
                      
                        // Register this device as Water flow sensor
                        present(CHILD_ID, S_WATER);
                      }
                      
                      void loop()
                      {
                        uint32_t currentTime = millis();
                      
                        // Only send values at a maximum frequency or woken up from sleep
                        if (SLEEP_MODE || (currentTime - lastSend > SEND_FREQUENCY)) {
                          lastSend=currentTime;
                      
                          if (!pcReceived) {
                            //Last Pulsecount not yet received from controller, request it again
                            request(CHILD_ID, V_VAR1);
                            return;
                          }
                      
                          if (!SLEEP_MODE && flow != oldflow) {
                            oldflow = flow;
                      
                            Serial.print("l/min:");
                            Serial.println(flow);
                      
                            // Check that we don't get unreasonable large flow value.
                            // could happen when long wraps or false interrupt triggered
                            if (flow<((uint32_t)MAX_FLOW)) {
                              send(flowMsg.set(flow, 2));                   // Send flow value to gw
                            }
                          }
                      
                          // No Pulse count received in 2min
                          if(currentTime - lastPulse > 120000) {
                            flow = 0;
                          }
                      
                          // Pulse count has changed
                          if ((pulseCount != oldPulseCount)||(!SLEEP_MODE)) {
                            oldPulseCount = pulseCount;
                      
                            Serial.print("pulsecount:");
                            Serial.println(pulseCount);
                      
                            send(lastCounterMsg.set(pulseCount));                  // Send  pulsecount value to gw in VAR1
                      
                            double volume = ((double)pulseCount/((double)PULSE_FACTOR));
                            if ((volume != oldvolume)||(!SLEEP_MODE)) {
                              oldvolume = volume;
                      
                              Serial.print("volume:");
                              Serial.println(volume, 3);
                      
                              send(volumeMsg.set(volume, 3));               // Send volume value to gw
                            }
                          }
                        }
                        if (SLEEP_MODE) {
                          sleep(SEND_FREQUENCY);
                        }
                      }
                      
                      void receive(const MyMessage &message)
                      {
                        if (message.type==V_VAR1) {
                          uint32_t gwPulseCount=message.getULong();
                          pulseCount += gwPulseCount;
                          flow=oldflow=0;
                          Serial.print("Received last pulse count from gw:");
                          Serial.println(pulseCount);
                          pcReceived = true;
                        }
                      }
                      
                      void onPulse()
                      {
                        if (!SLEEP_MODE) {
                          uint32_t newBlink = micros();
                          uint32_t interval = newBlink-lastBlink;
                      
                          if (interval!=0) {
                            lastPulse = millis();
                            if (interval<500000L) {
                              // Sometimes we get interrupt on RISING,  500000 = 0.5 second debounce ( max 120 l/min)
                              return;
                            }
                            flow = (60000000.0 /interval) / ppl;
                          }
                          lastBlink = newBlink;
                        }
                        pulseCount++;
                      }```
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                        bereska
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #93

                        looks like the problem is the node is NOT sending initial value to gw
                        need your help modifying the sketch accordingly
                        thank you

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                          bereska
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                          Is it possible to get any help on this page or not?

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                            Is it possible to get any help on this page or not?

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                            @bereska said in 💬 Water Meter Pulse Sensor:

                            Is it possible to get any help on this page or not?

                            Crying out loud most likely will not help...
                            Seems your setup is a little special, so just some assumptions from one using a serial GW and not MyS-MQTT:
                            Your controller is asked for sending an initial value, but has none yet. So no answer is sent out. Triggering the counter on Node side could help to send one (after waiting time has passed). Then have a look at your controller, if there's a value available. If, you might set the correct value, restart your node afterwards and see, if everything now works as expected?

                            Controller: FHEM; MySensors: 2.3.1, RS485,nRF24,RFM69, serial Gateways

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                              @bereska said in 💬 Water Meter Pulse Sensor:

                              Is it possible to get any help on this page or not?

                              Crying out loud most likely will not help...
                              Seems your setup is a little special, so just some assumptions from one using a serial GW and not MyS-MQTT:
                              Your controller is asked for sending an initial value, but has none yet. So no answer is sent out. Triggering the counter on Node side could help to send one (after waiting time has passed). Then have a look at your controller, if there's a value available. If, you might set the correct value, restart your node afterwards and see, if everything now works as expected?

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                              @rejoe2 thank you. How do i trigger "the counter on Node side"?

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                                rejoe2
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                                ...just let the node count some pulses (your code states: FALLING). So just pull the counter PIN (here: D3) to ground several times.

                                Controller: FHEM; MySensors: 2.3.1, RS485,nRF24,RFM69, serial Gateways

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                                  ...just let the node count some pulses (your code states: FALLING). So just pull the counter PIN (here: D3) to ground several times.

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                                  #98

                                  @rejoe2 i did like you said, still no show in HA
                                  here is the serial log:

                                   __  __       ____
                                  |  \/  |_   _/ ___|  ___ _ __  ___  ___  _ __ ___
                                  | |\/| | | | \___ \ / _ \ `_ \/ __|/ _ \| `__/ __|
                                  | |  | | |_| |___| |  __/ | | \__ \  _  | |  \__ \
                                  |_|  |_|\__, |____/ \___|_| |_|___/\___/|_|  |___/
                                          |___/                      2.3.0
                                  
                                  16 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA---,VER=2.3.0
                                  26 TSM:INIT
                                  28 TSF:WUR:MS=0
                                  34 !TSM:INIT:TSP FAIL
                                  36 TSM:FAIL:CNT=1
                                  38 TSM:FAIL:DIS
                                  40 TSF:TDI:TSL
                                   
                                   __  __       ____
                                  |  \/  |_   _/ ___|  ___ _ __  ___  ___  _ __ ___
                                  | |\/| | | | \___ \ / _ \ `_ \/ __|/ _ \| `__/ __|
                                  | |  | | |_| |___| |  __/ | | \__ \  _  | |  \__ \
                                  |_|  |_|\__, |____/ \___|_| |_|___/\___/|_|  |___/
                                          |___/                      2.3.0
                                  
                                  16 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA---,VER=2.3.0
                                  26 TSM:INIT
                                  28 TSF:WUR:MS=0
                                  34 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
                                  36 TSM:INIT:STATID=6
                                  38 TSF:SID:OK,ID=6
                                  40 TSM:FPAR
                                  77 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                                  532 TSF:MSG:READ,0-0-6,s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:0
                                  538 TSF:MSG:FPAR OK,ID=0,D=1
                                  624 TSF:MSG:READ,31-31-6,s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                  1267 TSF:MSG:READ,21-21-6,s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                  1546 TSF:MSG:READ,41-41-6,s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                  2088 TSM:FPAR:OK
                                  2088 TSM:ID
                                  2091 TSM:ID:OK
                                  2093 TSM:UPL
                                  2097 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:1
                                  2103 TSF:MSG:READ,0-0-6,s=255,c=3,t=25,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                  2109 TSF:MSG:PONG RECV,HP=1
                                  2113 TSM:UPL:OK
                                  2115 TSM:READY:ID=6,PAR=0,DIS=1
                                  2119 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:0100
                                  2127 TSF:MSG:READ,0-0-6,s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0:0100
                                  2138 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:2.3.0
                                  2148 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:0
                                  2242 TSF:MSG:READ,0-0-6,s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=0,l=1,sg=0:M
                                  2250 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=11,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:Water Meter
                                  2260 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:1.1
                                  2273 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=1,c=0,t=21,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                                  2281 MCO:REG:REQ
                                  2289 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=26,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:2
                                  2297 TSF:MSG:READ,0-0-6,s=255,c=3,t=27,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                  2304 MCO:PIM:NODE REG=1
                                  2306 MCO:BGN:STP
                                  2310 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=1,c=2,t=24,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                                  2318 MCO:BGN:INIT OK,TSP=1
                                  32319 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=1,c=2,t=24,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                                  
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                                    rejoe2
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                                    #99

                                    @bereska said in 💬 Water Meter Pulse Sensor:

                                    32319 TSF:MSG:SEND,6-6-0-0,s=1,c=2,t=24,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:

                                    Logparser states: there was nothing counted (empty payload). So make sure, there really was counted anything.
                                    (I didn't check your sketch, just assuming, it's the default one and everything is wired correctly; if that's the case, you should be able to see a different payload than nothing or "0", that your controller might treat as non existent).

                                    Controller: FHEM; MySensors: 2.3.1, RS485,nRF24,RFM69, serial Gateways

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                                    • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                                      Great work @bart59 !
                                      Do you have any indication on how long battery life you will get with this setup?

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                                      stevefury
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                                      @mfalkvidd how looks the sensor now with the modifications? and how to wire this?

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                                        @mfalkvidd how looks the sensor now with the modifications? and how to wire this?

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                                        Mod
                                        wrote on last edited by mfalkvidd
                                        #101

                                        @stevefury sorry, I don't understand. Which modifications are you referring to?

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                                          ibibiuooui
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                                          I'm just getting this....

                                          16:57:15.660 -> 10091 TSM:FAIL:RE-INIT
                                          16:57:15.660 -> 10093 TSM:INIT
                                          16:57:15.660 -> 10101 !TSM:INIT:TSP FAIL
                                          16:57:15.660 -> 10103 TSM:FAIL:CNT=2
                                          16:57:15.660 -> 10107 TSM:FAIL:DIS
                                          16:57:15.713 -> 10111 TSF:TDI:TSL

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