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    tbowmo
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    small update again

    Did a small rangetest, and it seems that the range is equal to my other sensor (based on arduino mini and batteries). Also moved the node to the main builidng, besides the weatherstation that I got for christmas (which have hygrometer buildin). It seems that the humidity level on both my sensor node, and the weatherstation is almost comparable.

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    • tbowmoT tbowmo

      small update again

      Did a small rangetest, and it seems that the range is equal to my other sensor (based on arduino mini and batteries). Also moved the node to the main builidng, besides the weatherstation that I got for christmas (which have hygrometer buildin). It seems that the humidity level on both my sensor node, and the weatherstation is almost comparable.

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      RJ_Make
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      @tbowmo That is great news! Did you have any thoughts/plans on packaging these up for DIY kit sales? Did you have a chance to test the EEPROM?

      Thanks for the Update!

      RJ_Make

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        @ServiceXp

        Haven't tested the eeprom yet, as I don't have any use for it right now. And also need to verify the 32khz crystal oscillator (currently running on the internal rc oscillator). Come to think about it, I need to think up some scenarios where the crystal could come in handy.

        Investigations are undergoing, to make something for the "public". Can't say anymore at the moment :)

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          @ServiceXp

          Haven't tested the eeprom yet, as I don't have any use for it right now. And also need to verify the 32khz crystal oscillator (currently running on the internal rc oscillator). Come to think about it, I need to think up some scenarios where the crystal could come in handy.

          Investigations are undergoing, to make something for the "public". Can't say anymore at the moment :)

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          RJ_Make
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          @tbowmo Gotcha, thanks again for all your hard work, for those of us who simply don't have the skill set to create a good pcb, I really appreciate your work.

          I'm looking forward to your other MySensors pcb projects... ;-)

          RJ_Make

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            And sensor #2 is build.. This time the radio module is soldered directly to the sensor module, making it a realy small device now..

            2015-01-14-1.jpg

            2015-01-14-3.jpg

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              #99

              hmm.. Now I've had the two sensors on the table beside each other (sensor #1 and #2).

              Temperature is off by 1.6 degrees celcius, and humidity 2% difference. Could be it's the different temperature, that makes the RH calculation differ a bit..

              And for some build data.. It took me a good hour to populate all the parts. This one also have the additional eeprom mounted. but still need something for verifying that it works..

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                hmm.. Now I've had the two sensors on the table beside each other (sensor #1 and #2).

                Temperature is off by 1.6 degrees celcius, and humidity 2% difference. Could be it's the different temperature, that makes the RH calculation differ a bit..

                And for some build data.. It took me a good hour to populate all the parts. This one also have the additional eeprom mounted. but still need something for verifying that it works..

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                RJ_Make
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                @tbowmo what is the margin of error for the sensors?

                RJ_Make

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                • tbowmoT tbowmo

                  hmm.. Now I've had the two sensors on the table beside each other (sensor #1 and #2).

                  Temperature is off by 1.6 degrees celcius, and humidity 2% difference. Could be it's the different temperature, that makes the RH calculation differ a bit..

                  And for some build data.. It took me a good hour to populate all the parts. This one also have the additional eeprom mounted. but still need something for verifying that it works..

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                  RJ_Make
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                  @tbowmo Oh and is that an hour using hand soldering?

                  RJ_Make

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                    #102

                    @ServiceXp

                    according to the datasheet the precision on temperature is +/- 0.4 degrees celcius, and +/- 3% RH.

                    They did however release a new chip revision (Si7021-A20) just after I bought mine (which is A10), they had some problems where the chip didn't enter standby correctly. Maybe that is the problem (also battery drain has been quicker than what I expected on the new node)

                    and yes, it's about an hour handsoldering things, and also programming the sensor, which also caused some troubles. Had to reprogram a lot of times, because of checksum errors. This could be caused by the fact that I have both eeprom, and nrf24l chip hanging on the SPI bus on the atmega, this is the same bus that is used by my ISP programmer (jtag ice3).

                    Think I have to get a proper bootloader into the device, so I can use the serialport to download instead.

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                      and now the external SPI flash is verified as working, just with a simple program, reading out the manufacturer ID, and writing / reading data to/from the device.

                      Next step I wanted to get a bootloader working, so I could use standard arduino to download firmware, and also (at some point in time) utilize the flash for OTA updates. However, I can't seem to get bootloader support working..

                      I have tried to get DualOptiboot from lowpowerlabs working now, with several rebuilds etc., it seems like it is running fine (LED is blinking a couple of times, when it boots) but arduino wont sync to the bootloader, so either it runs on a wrong baudrate, or something else is wrong in the setup. But so far I haven't suceeded in figuring out what it is..

                      (Anyone else that has some knowledge on bootloaders, that could have an idea to what to look at?)

                      / Thomas

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                        #104

                        I am almost ready for a second prototype spin of the PCB, but before doing that I could use some input from the community,

                        If this board was going into "mass production", is there any features that I should consider adding? Any missing parts? Anything that you think that I have forgotten?

                        The schematics for revision 2 is a couple of posts back in the thread.

                        I have considered adding a ATSHA204 for future security purposes, but can't seem to find a suitable spot for it (maybe I'm just too tired to see things clearly at the moment :)).

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                        • tbowmoT tbowmo

                          and now the external SPI flash is verified as working, just with a simple program, reading out the manufacturer ID, and writing / reading data to/from the device.

                          Next step I wanted to get a bootloader working, so I could use standard arduino to download firmware, and also (at some point in time) utilize the flash for OTA updates. However, I can't seem to get bootloader support working..

                          I have tried to get DualOptiboot from lowpowerlabs working now, with several rebuilds etc., it seems like it is running fine (LED is blinking a couple of times, when it boots) but arduino wont sync to the bootloader, so either it runs on a wrong baudrate, or something else is wrong in the setup. But so far I haven't suceeded in figuring out what it is..

                          (Anyone else that has some knowledge on bootloaders, that could have an idea to what to look at?)

                          / Thomas

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                          boozz
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                          @tbowmo
                          Does this link help you? Some explanation on bootloaders and practical stuff to help you burn botloaders on the ao Atmega326...

                          BR
                          Boozz

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                            @tbowmo
                            Does this link help you? Some explanation on bootloaders and practical stuff to help you burn botloaders on the ao Atmega326...

                            BR
                            Boozz

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                            @boozz said:

                            @tbowmo
                            Does this link help you? Some explanation on bootloaders and practical stuff to help you burn botloaders on the ao Atmega326...

                            BR
                            Boozz

                            I can program a standard arduino bootloader, which works. I just want to use the one from lowpowerlabs, dual optiboot, so i can utilise the external Flash chip. But i Can't get it to work at all.

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                              @boozz said:

                              @tbowmo
                              Does this link help you? Some explanation on bootloaders and practical stuff to help you burn botloaders on the ao Atmega326...

                              BR
                              Boozz

                              I can program a standard arduino bootloader, which works. I just want to use the one from lowpowerlabs, dual optiboot, so i can utilise the external Flash chip. But i Can't get it to work at all.

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                              @tbowmo
                              Ok, I misinterpreted your question. Can't help you on that one, sorry :-)

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                              • tbowmoT tbowmo

                                I am almost ready for a second prototype spin of the PCB, but before doing that I could use some input from the community,

                                If this board was going into "mass production", is there any features that I should consider adding? Any missing parts? Anything that you think that I have forgotten?

                                The schematics for revision 2 is a couple of posts back in the thread.

                                I have considered adding a ATSHA204 for future security purposes, but can't seem to find a suitable spot for it (maybe I'm just too tired to see things clearly at the moment :)).

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                                @tbowmo said:

                                I am almost ready for a second prototype spin of the PCB, but before doing that I could use some input from the community,

                                If this board was going into "mass production", is there any features that I should consider adding? Any missing parts? Anything that you think that I have forgotten?

                                The schematics for revision 2 is a couple of posts back in the thread.

                                I have considered adding a ATSHA204 for future security purposes, but can't seem to find a suitable spot for it (maybe I'm just too tired to see things clearly at the moment :)).

                                I would work on trying to get the ATSHA204 included, even if it means the dims get a little larger. The one thing that I really don't like about MySensors is the lack of any wireless security.. Would love to see this implemented.

                                RJ_Make

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                                  And sensor #2 is build.. This time the radio module is soldered directly to the sensor module, making it a realy small device now..

                                  2015-01-14-1.jpg

                                  2015-01-14-3.jpg

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                                  @tbowmo Maybe i missed it but do you have an image with the si7021 attached to the radio and pcb?

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                                    @tbowmo Maybe i missed it but do you have an image with the si7021 attached to the radio and pcb?

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                                    @rdevine said:

                                    @tbowmo Maybe i missed it but do you have an image with the si7021 attached to the radio and pcb?

                                    Look in post #93 the small white dot on the pcb is the si7021 :)

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                                      @tbowmo said:

                                      I am almost ready for a second prototype spin of the PCB, but before doing that I could use some input from the community,

                                      If this board was going into "mass production", is there any features that I should consider adding? Any missing parts? Anything that you think that I have forgotten?

                                      The schematics for revision 2 is a couple of posts back in the thread.

                                      I have considered adding a ATSHA204 for future security purposes, but can't seem to find a suitable spot for it (maybe I'm just too tired to see things clearly at the moment :)).

                                      I would work on trying to get the ATSHA204 included, even if it means the dims get a little larger. The one thing that I really don't like about MySensors is the lack of any wireless security.. Would love to see this implemented.

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                                      @ServiceXp said:

                                      I would work on trying to get the ATSHA204 included, even if it means the dims get a little larger. The one thing that I really don't like about MySensors is the lack of any wireless security.. Would love to see this implemented.

                                      For one second, I thought you where danish :), as the word "dims" usually refers to a small gadget like device, that you don't have a name for at the moment (or even components, screws, bolts, anything small could be a "dims") :)

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                                        @tbowmo said:

                                        ATSHA204

                                        This module is verry interesting but how it work? What you have to do in code to make it work, crypting messages,...?

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                                          @tbowmo I don't see a Load Capacitor on the crystal. Especially if you need a precise clock you should use some. Have a look at https://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/01/24/choosing-the-right-crystal-and-caps-for-your-design/ for example about Load Capacitors.

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