rewards for sharing


  • Hero Member

    I don't think most people are wanting to buy 10 boards at a crack, at least not for most of these projects.

    Maybe better is a model like pcbs.io has: https://pcbs.io/rewards

    I haven't tried them yet, but their prices are lower than OSH PARK, and promised delivery times are comparable, so I see no reason for people not to buy from pcbs.io. Unlike the status quo, their reward schema means I might actually recover some of my development cost.

    @hek Maybe you can work a deal with them so this can be win-win-win for all of us.


  • Hardware Contributor

    I used them (and http://pcb.ng but unfortunately they don't have a way to easily share boards) and I was quite happy with the resulting PCB.


  • Hero Member

    It looks as though Hallard has switched to using them, because he has a lot of recent boards there. That's another vote of confidence. :smile:

    I'll definitely try them on my next order.

    The $15 for 10 boards through mysensors.org's existing vendor is probably a good deal if you have a large board, but I deliberately try to keep mine small, to reduce costs of iterative development. So, at least for me, it's just not a good match. The evidence so far is that people just download the files and then send them to OSH PARK to save money, which benefits no one except OSH PARK. i.e. it's not the virtuous circle that it could be.


  • Hero Member

    @emc2 said:

    I used them (and http://pcb.ng but unfortunately they don't have a way to easily share boards) and I was quite happy with the resulting PCB.

    That pcb.ng sounds very interesting if they'll actually send you a fully assembled PCB in just 12 days, which is what they appear to be offering. With many parts being so incredibly tiny (e.g. BQ25504 and others) these days, I really hate the soldering part. Did you get a fully assembled board from them, and if so, how did it go? If it truly is affordable, I'm definitely interested.


  • Admin

    Any manufacturer can join in on openhardware.io. But it requires some integration work on their side. Maybe you can nag on them to join ;) (I haven't actively been pushing companies so far).


  • Hardware Contributor

    @NeverDie said:

    That pcb.ng sounds very interesting if they'll actually send you a fully assembled PCB in just 12 days, which is what they appear to be offering. With many parts being so incredibly tiny (e.g. BQ25504 and others) these days, I really hate the soldering part. Did you get a fully assembled board from them, and if so, how did it go? If it truly is affordable, I'm definitely interested.

    No I got a PCB only, it was for https://www.openhardware.io/view/296/MySFreezer (you can see the PCB color, it's a nice burgundy / cardinal red which actually was the perfect fit for my workplace freezers), not a lot of component on it and depending the use actually not a lot are needed in the same time, and definitively not designed to be automatically assembled for the battery configuration.

    One interesting thing on pcb.ng is the fact if you submit a solder paste layer they will actually add the paste, so you can reflow it yourself with a pan in your kitchen (dirty but works).

    Assembled price is $8 / $12 per sq. in. (single / double sided assembly) + components I guess. With tiny components and a dense layout it could totally be worth it.

    @hek Jonathan (https://blog.pcb.ng/author/jonathan-hirschman/) is quite nice and responsive, you can always shoot him an email to see if he is interested.


  • Hero Member

    @emc2 said:

    One interesting thing on pcb.ng is the fact if you submit a solder paste layer they will actually add the paste, so you can reflow it yourself with a pan in your kitchen (dirty but works).

    Cool! I'm sold on giving that a try. I wonder how they pack it so that the solder paste doesn't get all smeared around during shipment?


  • Hero Member

    @emc2 said:

    Assembled price is $8 / $12 per sq. in. (single / double sided assembly) + components I guess. With tiny components and a dense layout it could totally be worth it.

    It sounds as though if you design the board to be super small, using super tiny components, then suddenly the manufacturing cost becomes quite affordable.


  • Hero Member

    I just now placed my first order with pcb.io. For four boards, it cost me $0.97. The exact same board, ordered from OSH PARK, would net me just three PCB's at a cost of $1.20.


  • Hero Member

    Anyone know whether osh park also offers rewards for sharing, or is pcbs.io the only one?


  • Hero Member

    @emc2 Partly as an experiment, I ordered your Wemos adapter board from PCBs.io. Did you receive the promised 10% credit?


  • Hardware Contributor

    I did.

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    Thanks!


  • Hero Member

    Unfortunately, the order I submitted 10 days ago to pcbs.io is still "awaiting panelizationi." I'm beginning to wonder now whether their stated turnaround time is someone's fantasy rather than reality....


  • Hardware Contributor

    My order was placed on November 3rd and it was shipped on the 16th (9 business days, 13 "real" days).

    Don't forget they give you an average and it's probably in business days, as you ordered just before christmas it's been probably only ~2-3 business days so far.


  • Hero Member

    Well, to be fair, even OSH PARK is taking longer than usual to panelize submissions, so maybe there's just a general drought of submissions during this time of year.


  • Hardware Contributor

    @NeverDie Did you end up getting your PCBs?


  • Hero Member

    @emc2
    Not as yet. Up through yesterday they were still awaiting panelization. Today, however, the status indicates that they have been sent to fabrication.


  • Hero Member

    @emc2 said:

    One interesting thing on pcb.ng is the fact if you submit a solder paste layer they will actually add the paste, so you can reflow it yourself with a pan in your kitchen (dirty but works).

    Have you tried that service yourself? How much does it cost? I don't see it listed on their website as a separate line item.


  • Hardware Contributor

    Never tried on my own yet.

    No additional cost.
    You need to provide a gerber file for the paste of course and it needs to follow these specifications https://support.pcb.ng/support/solutions/articles/9000057010-pcb-constraints#paste


  • Hero Member

    Wouldn't the solder paste dry out during shipping? I'm not sure that applying components to dried out solder paste would work.


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