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💬 RFM69 Serial GW (ATMEGA328P)

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  • NeverDieN NeverDie

    The cp2102 is a good choice: you can upload at a faster speed than you can with an FTDI.

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    kalina
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    #4

    @NeverDie said:

    you can upload at a faster speed than you can with an FTDI.

    I studied this question and knew that FTDI is more faster than CP2102....
    0_1484941697457_Speed.jpg

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      mtiutiu
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      I chosed CP2102 mainly for the low component count which is needed to create a simple usb to serial converter. The baudrate is sufficient enough for the most of the projects imho.

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      • mtiutiuM mtiutiu

        I chosed CP2102 mainly for the low component count which is needed to create a simple usb to serial converter. The baudrate is sufficient enough for the most of the projects imho.

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        @mtiutiu said in 💬 MySensors RFM69W serial GW:

        I chosed CP2102 mainly for the low component count which is needed to create a simple usb to serial converter

        As for me, i chose CP2102 because he has On-chip voltage regulator 3.3V.

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          I won't rely on the integrated voltage regulator because usually it's not capable to supply high currents. As I've seen on other USB to serial converter chips the current capability of the integrated voltage regulator is about 50mA or so(maybe some can provide up to 100mA). Anyway if using NRF24l01 radios and small current LEDs then maybe it won't be an issue but I wouldn't count on it on the long term. Radio module + microcontroller + LEDs + other components can reach the 50mA limit especially when using RFM69W or HW variant. Now I know that the TX period may be short and only the average drawn current matters in the end but still I won't take it to the near limits. Just my 2 cents here.

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          • mtiutiuM mtiutiu

            I won't rely on the integrated voltage regulator because usually it's not capable to supply high currents. As I've seen on other USB to serial converter chips the current capability of the integrated voltage regulator is about 50mA or so(maybe some can provide up to 100mA). Anyway if using NRF24l01 radios and small current LEDs then maybe it won't be an issue but I wouldn't count on it on the long term. Radio module + microcontroller + LEDs + other components can reach the 50mA limit especially when using RFM69W or HW variant. Now I know that the TX period may be short and only the average drawn current matters in the end but still I won't take it to the near limits. Just my 2 cents here.

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            wrote on last edited by NeverDie
            #8

            @mtiutiu
            I agree. According to the schematic, you do use the MCP1703A-3302 as a voltage regulator, which is rated to 250ma. It seems that many problems are easily avoided when there's a more than ample power source.

            Also, for whatever reason, the Arduino IDE doesn't seem to support the highest baud rate that's apparently possible with the FTDI. It does though with the CP2101.

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              mtiutiu
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              wrote on last edited by mtiutiu
              #9

              Hi,

              Today I managed to finish this project: hardware assembly and initial serial gw sketch upload and I get I_GATEWAY_READY from serial console so everything seems to be in order. I need to perform some more tests though with some nodes attached and see the messages coming in and out but so far it seems very promising. I didnt' soldered the LEDs yet but that's not so important for now :simple_smile: .

              CP2102 usb to serial converter chip working(first line from usb devices listing):

              mtiutiu@mtiutiu-H67MA-USB3-B3 ~/Work/AVR_Playground/sensors_network/project/SerialGateway $ lsusb 
              Bus 002 Device 015: ID 10c4:ea60 Cygnal Integrated Products, Inc. CP210x UART Bridge / myAVR mySmartUSB light
              Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
              Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
              Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
              Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
              Bus 001 Device 005: ID 045e:0779 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam HD-3000
              Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1bcf:0005 Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc. Optical Mouse
              Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c31c Logitech, Inc. Keyboard K120
              Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
              Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
              

              Code uploading using arduino serial bootloader POC:

              mtiutiu@mtiutiu-H67MA-USB3-B3 ~/Work/AVR_Playground/sensors_network/project/SerialGateway $ platformio run --target upload
              [Tue Feb 14 17:48:38 2017] Processing pro16MHzatmega328 (upload_protocol: arduino, build_flags: -I./lib/MySensors, lib_ignore: MySensors, board_f_cpu: 16000000UL, platform: atmelavr, board: pro16MHzatmega328, framework: arduino)
              ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Verbose mode can be enabled via `-v, --verbose` option
              Collected 69 compatible libraries
              Looking for dependencies...
              Library Dependency Graph
              |-- <SPI> v1.0
              Looking for upload port...
              Auto-detected: /dev/ttyUSB0
              Uploading .pioenvs/pro16MHzatmega328/firmware.hex
              
              avrdude: AVR device initialized and ready to accept instructions
              
              Reading | ################################################## | 100% 0.00s
              
              avrdude: Device signature = 0x1e950f (probably m328p)
              avrdude: reading input file ".pioenvs/pro16MHzatmega328/firmware.hex"
              avrdude: writing flash (13122 bytes):
              
              Writing | ################################################## | 100% 3.96s
              
              avrdude: 13122 bytes of flash written
              avrdude: verifying flash memory against .pioenvs/pro16MHzatmega328/firmware.hex:
              avrdude: load data flash data from input file .pioenvs/pro16MHzatmega328/firmware.hex:
              avrdude: input file .pioenvs/pro16MHzatmega328/firmware.hex contains 13122 bytes
              avrdude: reading on-chip flash data:
              
              Reading | ################################################## | 100% 3.00s
              
              avrdude: verifying ...
              avrdude: 13122 bytes of flash verified
              
              avrdude: safemode: Fuses OK (E:00, H:00, L:00)
              
              avrdude done.  Thank you
              

              MySController serial gw connection and startup ok message:

              0_1487087715787_MYSController_serial_gw.png

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                Serial gw is working. Tested with real MySensors nodes and it's working properly. Now regarding stability and such - well...that only time will tell us.

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                  Hello, what is the goal of the TXB0104, it's the first time that i see him in a project ?

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                  • tonnerre33T tonnerre33

                    Hello, what is the goal of the TXB0104, it's the first time that i see him in a project ?

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                    @tonnerre33

                    It's a logic level voltage converter. The MCU runs at 5V so the logic level voltage that it uses on the SPI port which connects to the RFM69W use 5V too. But the RFM69W module runs at 3.3V and it's not 5V tolerant on its SPI port pins.

                    The purpose of that IC is to convert voltage levels on the SPI lines forward and backward (from 5V to 3.3V and vice versa) in order to not damage the RFM69W chip.

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                    • mtiutiuM mtiutiu

                      @tonnerre33

                      It's a logic level voltage converter. The MCU runs at 5V so the logic level voltage that it uses on the SPI port which connects to the RFM69W use 5V too. But the RFM69W module runs at 3.3V and it's not 5V tolerant on its SPI port pins.

                      The purpose of that IC is to convert voltage levels on the SPI lines forward and backward (from 5V to 3.3V and vice versa) in order to not damage the RFM69W chip.

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                      wrote on last edited by tonnerre33
                      #13

                      @mtiutiu said in 💬 MySensors RFM69W serial GW(ATMEGA328P):

                      Oh ok, and just for know, why we don't power the atmega with 3.3V ?

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                      • tonnerre33T tonnerre33

                        @mtiutiu said in 💬 MySensors RFM69W serial GW(ATMEGA328P):

                        Oh ok, and just for know, why we don't power the atmega with 3.3V ?

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                        wrote on last edited by mtiutiu
                        #14

                        @tonnerre33
                        Because at 3.3V the atmega328p mcu can run at max 8MHz as per datasheet. So I wanted it to run at double the speed and for that it needs 5V as per datasheet again. Why at 16MHz? Well because I want the gateway to be more faster in general and to quickly process the incoming messages from the entire radio network.

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                          Thanks a lot, now i know why ;)

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                          • tonnerre33T tonnerre33

                            Thanks a lot, now i know why ;)

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                            @tonnerre33

                            And to use higher baudrates for the serial port on the mcu also. To achieve higher baudrates you need a higher mcu clock frequency too.

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                              Does anyone have a BOM for this?

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                              • S shabba

                                Does anyone have a BOM for this?

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                                wrote on last edited by mtiutiu
                                #18

                                @shabba
                                Sorry but I don't have one now. When I have time I will generate it. For now I'm busy with the Livolo stuff.

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                                  0_1494000655324_upload-1cfecb9c-1343-4411-a8c4-b4546cd9a63e

                                  A fast extraction without traitment if that can help ;)

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                                    shabba
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                                    I see C5 on the board has polarity. My ceramic caps seem to have no polarity (no markings on it - https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/murata-electronics-north-america/ZRB18AR61E106ME01L/490-10991-1-ND/5321192).
                                    I assume that this is ok and this does not need to be a tantalum cap?

                                    Thanks.

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                                    • S shabba

                                      I see C5 on the board has polarity. My ceramic caps seem to have no polarity (no markings on it - https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/murata-electronics-north-america/ZRB18AR61E106ME01L/490-10991-1-ND/5321192).
                                      I assume that this is ok and this does not need to be a tantalum cap?

                                      Thanks.

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                                      #21

                                      @shabba

                                      Yes it's ok. Just make sure that you have 10V rated capacitors(this board runs at 5V so it's best to stay above that). On the radio side you can use 6V capacitors as it's powered at 3.3V but anyway...it's easier to use just 10V types instead of remembering what goes where imho.

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                                        Hi @mtiutiu - Did you ever get a chance to make a BOM? Most of the one @tonnerre33 one makes sense but I only bought two boards so being a little cautious :-)

                                        Thanks!

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                                          Any BOM? :-)
                                          I still have these PCBs and want to finish em. Can't source a crystal/resonator of about 5x4 mm.

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