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  • Nca78N Nca78

    @NeverDie it's not that quick, it happened only to the one I put in bathroom with very high humidity for a long time.
    Other sensors reached over 90% humidity sometimes and spent many days in the 75-85 range but just a nightly use of aircon seems to have maintained their hability to measure humidity.
    So my feeling is unless you are in a very humid environment you should have no problem with the si7021.

    I'm in a tropical country and problem happened during rainy season, >80% humidity at 30°C makes a lot of humity in the air, I don't think you get close to that level in European countries or most of the US.

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    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
    #1252

    @Nca78 I'm just taking what the datasheet says at face value. In practical terms, I think it's fairly rare to see >80% humidity in an indoor "conditioned space" (well, maybe a bathroom is an exception to that sweeping generality) but outdoors it happens by definition anytime the air temperature approaches the dew point. That certainly does occur in quite a lot of geographies.

    So, for that reason, I think of the si7021 as more of an indoor TH sensor. From what I can tell, the BME280 doesn't have this issue, so it would therefore seem to be a good choice for outdoors.

    Of course, the si7021 sensor modules are made in Asia, and if it's tropical asia (Thailand for instance?), it may have already been exposed to high humidity. So, that's a bit of an unknown factor hanging in the background.

    Anyhow, thanks for the additional insight that maybe the si7021 really needs to soak in high humidity for a long time before it gets ruined. Otherwise, it can spring back from brief exposures. I certainly hope that's the case. Running its heater does consume a significant amount of current.

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      NeverDie
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      wrote on last edited by NeverDie
      #1253

      It turns out that on the nRF52832, pins 9 and 10 are assigned to NFC by default. The following code allows them to behave "almost" like regular GPIO pins:

        //Make pins 9 and 10 usable as GPIO pins.
        NRF_NFCT->TASKS_DISABLE=1;  //disable NFC
        NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=1;  // Write enable the UICR
        NRF_UICR->NFCPINS=0; //Make pins 9 and 10 usable as GPIO pins.
        NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=0;  // Put the UICR back into read-only mode.
      

      Well, good enough for a blink demo anyway.

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      • NeverDieN Offline
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        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
        #1254

        Is there some particular trick to reading the built-in temperature sensor? I've tried it a number of ways, but after doing

        NRF_TEMP->TASKS_START
        

        I can never get NRF_TEMP->DATARDY to return true, no matter how long I wait. If I just try reading NRF_TEMP->TEMP anyway, it always returns zero.

        [Edit: Nevermind. The answer was right in front of me. It obviously should have been:

        NRF_TEMP->TASKS_START=1;
        

        Because the PPI uses the former syntax, and the regular code uses the later syntax for the same thing, I sometimes interchange the syntax by mistake.

        Anyhow, problem solved. :)

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        • NeverDieN NeverDie

          When you combine my BT832XE gateway with the LNA on this external "booster," the result is really great reception range, even at 2Mbps:
          0_1509558101829_awesome.jpg
          I think this combo will be hard to beat. In fact, I can receive even from nRF24L01's that are far away (further away than a nRF24L01 with PA+LNA can receive). :)

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          #1255

          @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

          BT832XE

          What booster is it?

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          • NeverDieN NeverDie

            @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

            I would love to make a small pcb for the NRF core to plug in to instead of the big motherboard as below

            Here you go: https://www.openhardware.io/view/510/Button-cell-Temperature-Humidity-sensor#tabs-bom

            This should be even smaller and less expensive than what you wished for. I made it for the Si7021 because I had some extras laying around. The BME280 would also be a good choice.

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            wrote on last edited by NeverDie
            #1256

            @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

            @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

            I would love to make a small pcb for the NRF core to plug in to instead of the big motherboard as below

            Here you go: https://www.openhardware.io/view/510/Button-cell-Temperature-Humidity-sensor#tabs-bom

            This should be even smaller and less expensive than what you wished for. I made it for the Si7021 because I had some extras laying around. The BME280 would also be a good choice.

            I'm realizing now that I can get a decent temperature reading from just the nRF5x chip itself. With calibration it should get even better.

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              #1257

              Today I finally received the PTR9618PA that I ordered a while back:
              0_1510110556809_ptr1.jpg
              0_1510110572062_ptr2.jpg

              Like the Fanstel modules, it lacks a 32.768Khz crystal oscillator. Also, as you can see from the second photo, the PA/LNA chip is the 2401C: http://www.skyworksinc.com/Product/3213/RFX2401C

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              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                I would love to make a small pcb for the NRF core to plug in to instead of the big motherboard as below

                Here you go: https://www.openhardware.io/view/510/Button-cell-Temperature-Humidity-sensor#tabs-bom

                This should be even smaller and less expensive than what you wished for. I made it for the Si7021 because I had some extras laying around. The BME280 would also be a good choice.

                I'm realizing now that I can get a decent temperature reading from just the nRF5x chip itself. With calibration it should get even better.

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                @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                I'm realizing now that I can get a decent temperature reading from just the nRF5x chip itself. With calibration it should get even better.

                I used the internal temperature in the past but i can not remember how i did it?
                Do you have some example code to remind me?

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                • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                  @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                  @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                  I'm realizing now that I can get a decent temperature reading from just the nRF5x chip itself. With calibration it should get even better.

                  I used the internal temperature in the past but i can not remember how i did it?
                  Do you have some example code to remind me?

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                  wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                  #1259

                  @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                  Do you have some example code to remind me?

                  /*
                   * This example sketch shows how you can manage the nRF5 pin mapping as part of your code.
                   * You can use the method for any nRF51822 or nRF52832 board or module.
                   * 
                   * Most components, like UART, SPI, Wire Bus, of the nRF5 series chips don't
                   * have a fixed pin mapping. There are some pins with restrictions like analog
                   * inputs, NFC or pins near the radio module. Please refer the latest
                   * documentation about pin restrictions at http://infocenter.nordicsemi.com 
                   * 
                   * To use the custom pin mapping you have to do following steps:
                   * 
                   * 1. Install "arduino-nrf5" like described at
                   *    https://github.com/sandeepmistry/arduino-nRF5/
                   * 2. Install the "My Sensors nRF5 Boards" with the board manager like
                   *    explained at https://github.com/mysensors/ArduinoBoards
                   * 3. Copy the files "MyNRF5Board.cpp" and "MyNRF5Board.h" from
                   *    "MyNRF5Board" example into your sketch.
                   * 4. Modify pin mappings in "MyNRF5Board.cpp" and "MyNRF5Board.h" to fit
                   *    your requirements.
                   * 5. Select "MyNRF5Board nrf52832" or "MyNRF5Board nrf52822" as your board.
                   *    Choose the correct parameters and programmer in the Tools menu.
                   */
                  
                  // Many thanks to d00616 for this framework!
                  
                  //------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                  
                  //Simple program to demonstrate that both the LED and Serial  and Temperature are working correctly on the breakout board:
                  // https://www.openhardware.io/view/471/Ebyte-nRF52832-Small-Breakout-Board
                  
                  //Note: Compile and upload from Arduino IDE using "MyNRF5Board nRF51822" as the board and with 16K RAM, RC Oscillator, and no bootloader as the options.  
                  //
                  
                  
                  
                  #define MY_CORE_ONLY
                  
                  #include <nrf.h>
                  #include <MySensors.h>
                  
                  
                  void setup() {
                    hwPinMode(LED_BUILTIN,OUTPUT_D0H1);
                    digitalWrite(LED_BUILTIN,HIGH);
                    NRF_CLOCK->INTENSET=B11;  //enable interrupts for EVENTS_HFCLKSTARTED and  EVENTS_LFCLKSTARTED
                    Serial.begin(9600);
                    Serial.println();
                    Serial.println("Starting...");
                    NRF_CLOCK->TASKS_HFCLKSTART=1;  //start the high frequency crystal oscillator clock
                    while (!(NRF_CLOCK->EVENTS_HFCLKSTARTED)) {} //wait until high frequency crystal oscillator clock is up to speed and working
                  
                    NRF_TEMP->TASKS_STOP;
                    NRF_TEMP->EVENTS_DATARDY=0;
                  
                    NRF_TEMP->INTENSET=1;  //enable EVENTS_DATARDY temperature interrupt
                    while (!(NRF_TEMP->INTENSET==1)) {} //wait until completed
                  }
                  
                  uint32_t blinkCounter=0;
                  uint32_t rawTemperature=0;
                  float celsius=0.0;  //rawTemperature converted to Celsius
                  void loop() {
                    NRF_TEMP->TASKS_START=1;
                    while (!(NRF_TEMP->EVENTS_DATARDY)) {} //wait until temperature measurement is complete
                   
                    rawTemperature=NRF_TEMP->TEMP;
                    celsius=((float)rawTemperature)/4.0;
                  
                    Serial.print(celsius);
                    Serial.println(" degrees Celsius");
                      
                    Serial.print(blinkCounter++);
                    Serial.println(", HIGH");
                    digitalWrite(LED_BUILTIN,HIGH);
                    delay(500);
                    Serial.print(blinkCounter++);
                    Serial.println(", LOW");
                    digitalWrite(LED_BUILTIN,LOW);
                    delay(500);
                  }
                  
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                    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                    #1260

                    I made a prototype of my CR2032 buttoncell project using the earlier small nRF51822-4 beakout board. I have it running the MySensors passive sensor code. It reports to the serial gatewaqy once every minute.
                    0_1510229855666_cr2032_proto1.jpg

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                      #1261

                      cool.
                      you could add some clearance for the antenna, better I think for antenna radiation.

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                      • scalzS scalz

                        cool.
                        you could add some clearance for the antenna, better I think for antenna radiation.

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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1262

                        @scalz said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                        you could add some clearance for the antenna, better I think for antenna radiation.

                        0_1510243932750_cr2030_proto2.jpg
                        0_1510243941869_cr2030_proto3.jpg

                        OK, I adjusted it. How about now?

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                          #1263

                          I dont have access to the source code now. Can someone please tell which pins are configured as Tx and Rx for serial communication ?

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                          • ahmedadelhosniA ahmedadelhosni

                            I dont have access to the source code now. Can someone please tell which pins are configured as Tx and Rx for serial communication ?

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                            NeverDie
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1264

                            @ahmedadelhosni Do you mean in general? In the general case, you can select which pins are meant for Rx and Tx using your software.

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                            • NeverDieN NeverDie

                              @ahmedadelhosni Do you mean in general? In the general case, you can select which pins are meant for Rx and Tx using your software.

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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1265

                              Yes I read this from the datasheet but I thought maybe MySensors defines some Pins for debugging.

                              How can I set them ? Any ApI refrences ?

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                              • ahmedadelhosniA ahmedadelhosni

                                Yes I read this from the datasheet but I thought maybe MySensors defines some Pins for debugging.

                                How can I set them ? Any ApI refrences ?

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1266

                                @ahmedadelhosni said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                Yes I read this from the datasheet but I thought maybe MySensors defines some Pins for debugging.

                                How can I set them ? Any ApI refrences ?

                                Look at the source code posted at https://www.openhardware.io/view/510/CR2032-Small-Wireless-Temperature-Humidity-Sensor#tabs-source

                                It will be obvious from that.

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                                • ahmedadelhosniA ahmedadelhosni

                                  Yes I read this from the datasheet but I thought maybe MySensors defines some Pins for debugging.

                                  How can I set them ? Any ApI refrences ?

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                                  #1267

                                  @ahmedadelhosni said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                  Yes I read this from the datasheet but I thought maybe MySensors defines some Pins for debugging.
                                  How can I set them ? Any ApI refrences ?

                                  Most NRF5 pins are freely configurable. MySensors only uses the definition of the Arduino variant. If you are not lucky with the pins defined with the Arduino board variants, you can use the ArduinoHwNRF5 board. There are examples to redefine pins.

                                  This repository has the release 0.1.0 its usable and stable, but I have plans to rename the files to MyBoardNRF5 and change the g_ADigitalPinMap to the more flexible Arduino primo format in the near future. I think this is required to support NRF52840 MCUs in the future.

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1268

                                    Thanks both for the guiding. I will look through them.

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                                      #1269

                                      @NeverDie how is the battery voltage doing on your existing test node ?
                                      I think you should include a strong capacitor to help the battery during TX/RX sequences. It's probably less necessary on NRF5 boards, but on atmega+nrf24 a board without a 100-200µF (meaning only around half of that available with a 3V bias) capacitor has a very poor battery life.

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                                      • Nca78N Nca78

                                        @NeverDie how is the battery voltage doing on your existing test node ?
                                        I think you should include a strong capacitor to help the battery during TX/RX sequences. It's probably less necessary on NRF5 boards, but on atmega+nrf24 a board without a 100-200µF (meaning only around half of that available with a 3V bias) capacitor has a very poor battery life.

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                                        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                        #1270

                                        @Nca78 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                        @NeverDie how is the battery voltage doing on your existing test node ?
                                        I think you should include a strong capacitor to help the battery during TX/RX sequences. It's probably less necessary on NRF5 boards, but on atmega+nrf24 a board without a 100-200µF (meaning only around half of that available with a 3V bias) capacitor has a very poor battery life.

                                        No real data as of yet, though I haven't noticed any problems per se. What size capacitor do you recommend?

                                        Here's why I was hoping I could maybe sidestep the issue:
                                        0_1510565830687_pulse.png
                                        http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/cr2032.pdf
                                        i.e. very short pulses might have stable voltage. I'm not sure what amount of current is assumed by that Energizer graph though.

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                                          @ahmedadelhosni said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                          Yes I read this from the datasheet but I thought maybe MySensors defines some Pins for debugging.
                                          How can I set them ? Any ApI refrences ?

                                          Most NRF5 pins are freely configurable. MySensors only uses the definition of the Arduino variant. If you are not lucky with the pins defined with the Arduino board variants, you can use the ArduinoHwNRF5 board. There are examples to redefine pins.

                                          This repository has the release 0.1.0 its usable and stable, but I have plans to rename the files to MyBoardNRF5 and change the g_ADigitalPinMap to the more flexible Arduino primo format in the near future. I think this is required to support NRF52840 MCUs in the future.

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                                          wrote on last edited by scalz
                                          #1271

                                          @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:
                                          I think this is required to support NRF52840 MCUs in the future.

                                          Again, you've done a nice a work on ESB driver :+1:
                                          At least we can confirm that nrf52840 works with regular variant boards, and basic MySensors features, as it was a part of an intense traffic setup yesterday.

                                          That's the proof MySensors is getting better week after week :)

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