nRF5 action!
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In case anyone else either has, or is thinking of getting, the nRF52832 DK, it looks as though there is indeed a way to use its programmer to program an offboard nRF52832 without desoldering the nRF52832 that's on the DK. Here's the existence proof photo where an 832 DK is being used to program Sparkfun's nRF52832 breakout board over the two SW lines:
The caption reads "For faster programming, an nRF52832 Development Kit can be used to program the nRF52832 Breakout Board."
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@d00616
9mmx9mm would be great. However, are you certain? Product description says 15.4mmx15.4mm.Pitty the lack of 32khz crystal, but for a lot of sensor nodes perhaps it won't matter much.
I did find this after making my prior post:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/nRF51-M0-Ultra-small-Bluetooth-BLE-Module-4-0-Module-LIS3DH-Support-10-GPIOs/32697055436.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.295.t9NHvJ
which is allegedly 8.5mmx10.5mm and allegedly does have a 32Khz crystal, but the trade-off is that it's an nRF51832, not an nRF52832.@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
@d00616
9mmx9mm would be great. However, are you certain?I'm convinced! I pulled this picture off the FCC website, and, indeed, it is 9x9mm:
(https://fccid.io/2AA72-PTR5628)So, thanks for mentioning its size, or else I never would have known!
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@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
@d00616
9mmx9mm would be great. However, are you certain?I'm convinced! I pulled this picture off the FCC website, and, indeed, it is 9x9mm:
(https://fccid.io/2AA72-PTR5628)So, thanks for mentioning its size, or else I never would have known!
So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
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So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
What do you think about creating an table with known modules including integrated hardware, available ports and size?
I think, most small modules comes without 32kHz crystal. This is mostly an option. Maybe for the 9x9mm module. But I think the antenna is no good choice for indoor usage.
I have a lot of RedBear BLE Nano 2 (18x21mm) modules. It's complete including 32Khz crystal and a 3-13V voltage converter. With 2.54mm pins it's easy to solder.
I have asked the manufacturer(cdebyte) of the nice nRF24 and nRF52 modules if it's possible to build an module including the nRF52, an RGB LED, an button and 5V protected inputs with the layout like the popular nRF24 modules plus two optional pins (6/8 IO Ports!). I think such type of nRF52 module makes it easy to migrate to 32 Bit using existing boards or build new boards.
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I just now noticed that Ebyte also has a storefront on aliexpress.
https://cdebyte.aliexpress.com/store/2077046?spm=2114.12010108.0.0.7Yid4a
For me, it's much better than ebay, because it includes free e-packet delivery to the US. So, unlike ebay, I will hopefully get their modules much sooner than September! The estimated delivery time from Ebyte if ordered through Aliexpress is 12-20 days. :)
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/CDEBYTE-E73-2G4M04S-BLE-4-2-5-0-long-distance-100m-2-4GHz-SMD-ARM-Core/2077046_32820692238.html?spm=2114.12010615.0.0.TZClHR[Edit: Also, on Aliexpress, Ebyte gives a coupon for $5 off if you order >$45]
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I just now noticed that Ebyte also has a storefront on aliexpress.
https://cdebyte.aliexpress.com/store/2077046?spm=2114.12010108.0.0.7Yid4a
For me, it's much better than ebay, because it includes free e-packet delivery to the US. So, unlike ebay, I will hopefully get their modules much sooner than September! The estimated delivery time from Ebyte if ordered through Aliexpress is 12-20 days. :)
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/CDEBYTE-E73-2G4M04S-BLE-4-2-5-0-long-distance-100m-2-4GHz-SMD-ARM-Core/2077046_32820692238.html?spm=2114.12010615.0.0.TZClHR[Edit: Also, on Aliexpress, Ebyte gives a coupon for $5 off if you order >$45]
@NeverDie yes noticed their shop only 2 days ago and feeling frustrated now :D
For shipment delay I wouldn't be surprised if they shipped the same way with free option and it would just be a different way to state the delay on the 2 websites... -
@NeverDie yes noticed their shop only 2 days ago and feeling frustrated now :D
For shipment delay I wouldn't be surprised if they shipped the same way with free option and it would just be a different way to state the delay on the 2 websites... -
So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
I have found the Raytec Modules. http://www.raytac.com/products.php?id=1
The smallest one is the MDBT42V 8,4x6,4x1,5mm with PCB antenna and 80m range in open space.This module https://www.mtmtech.com.tw/M905.html is 6.5 ✕ 6.5 x 1.1 mm
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@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
I have found the Raytec Modules. http://www.raytac.com/products.php?id=1
The smallest one is the MDBT42V 8,4x6,4x1,5mm with PCB antenna and 80m range in open space.This module https://www.mtmtech.com.tw/M905.html is 6.5 ✕ 6.5 x 1.1 mm
@d00616 said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
I have found the Raytec Modules. http://www.raytac.com/products.php?id=1
The smallest one is the MDBT42V 8,4x6,4x1,5mm with PCB antenna and 80m range in open space.This module https://www.mtmtech.com.tw/M905.html is 6.5 ✕ 6.5 x 1.1 mm
M905 is impressive, but with connectors at the bottom it's impossible to hand solder...
Raytac module is what scalz used for the prototype of his "Aeos" board, pretty small but he didn't look so happy with the range. -
Guys, when you start using these 832 chips are you going to be programming via Bluetooth or just using the radios in some other way?
@Terrence said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
Guys, when you start using these 832 chips are you going to be programming via Bluetooth or just using the radios in some other way?
I'd like to see the work extended to include Bluetooth. Nearly everything has bluetooth these days, so leveraging that would seem to make a lot of sense. I just don't know where to start.
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@Terrence said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
Guys, when you start using these 832 chips are you going to be programming via Bluetooth or just using the radios in some other way?
I'd like to see the work extended to include Bluetooth. Nearly everything has bluetooth these days, so leveraging that would seem to make a lot of sense. I just don't know where to start.
@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
Nearly everything has bluetooth these days, so leveraging that would seem to make a lot of sense. I just don't know where to start
I agree.
I have done a little bit of BT programming. It seems pretty complex, but I am sure that will change once we immerse our attention in it. -
@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
Nearly everything has bluetooth these days, so leveraging that would seem to make a lot of sense. I just don't know where to start
I agree.
I have done a little bit of BT programming. It seems pretty complex, but I am sure that will change once we immerse our attention in it.I'd like to see an extremely basic script that simply has two bluetooth nodes talking back and forth to one another (maybe just increment a counter on each turn and send just that). If we could get that simple activity working, then I suspect the rest could follow more easily.
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@Terrence
Maybe you'd like this one (or similar) a little better, as it has some additional sensors already built into it:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Ship-Bluetooth-4-0-temperature-sensor-pressure-sensor-acceleration-sensor-gyroscope-light-nRF51822-bluetooth-4/32705653095.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000013.6.5TTgVd&traffic_analysisId=recommend_2088_3_82199_new&scm=1007.13339.82199.0&pvid=71d80c46-bd50-4ed5-bdc6-1d6253d9e038&tpp=1 -
@NeverDie Here is Kris's great looking board over on Tindie for $40
https://www.tindie.com/products/onehorse/nrf52832-development-board/And his great GitHub repo showing how to program it.
https://github.com/kriswiner/nRF52832DevBoardAnd Sandeep Mistry's Arduino core lib
https://github.com/sandeepmistry/arduino-nRF5I am going to try and contact Kris and see if he will come over and join us.
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@NeverDie Here is Kris's great looking board over on Tindie for $40
https://www.tindie.com/products/onehorse/nrf52832-development-board/And his great GitHub repo showing how to program it.
https://github.com/kriswiner/nRF52832DevBoardAnd Sandeep Mistry's Arduino core lib
https://github.com/sandeepmistry/arduino-nRF5I am going to try and contact Kris and see if he will come over and join us.
All the bluetooth sketches that I've heard of so far boil down to a bluetooth node communicating with your smartphone. That's great, and I'm glad for that, but it seems more like a wireless GUI than the internet of things.
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@d00616 said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
I have found the Raytec Modules. http://www.raytac.com/products.php?id=1
The smallest one is the MDBT42V 8,4x6,4x1,5mm with PCB antenna and 80m range in open space.This module https://www.mtmtech.com.tw/M905.html is 6.5 ✕ 6.5 x 1.1 mm
M905 is impressive, but with connectors at the bottom it's impossible to hand solder...
Raytac module is what scalz used for the prototype of his "Aeos" board, pretty small but he didn't look so happy with the range.@Nca78 said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
@d00616 said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
I have found the Raytec Modules. http://www.raytac.com/products.php?id=1
The smallest one is the MDBT42V 8,4x6,4x1,5mm with PCB antenna and 80m range in open space.This module https://www.mtmtech.com.tw/M905.html is 6.5 ✕ 6.5 x 1.1 mm
M905 is impressive, but with connectors at the bottom it's impossible to hand solder...
Raytac module is what scalz used for the prototype of his "Aeos" board, pretty small but he didn't look so happy with the range.What's great is that both nodes are built around the Nordic nRF52, so the software still works.
With such a small antenna on the small Raytac node, at least some impairment is probably unavoidable. @Scalz How many dBm are lost because of it?
Regarding the M905, if there were some company that could simply solder the M905 to a PCB of the same size with castellated pins along the edges.... we'd be set, because we could then hand solder to that. I have no idea what that would cost or what the minimum batch size would have to be for it to make economic sense. Maybe someone here knows about such things? Perhaps it's something that Itead or one of the mysensors manufacturing partners could comment on or do?
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All the bluetooth sketches that I've heard of so far boil down to a bluetooth node communicating with your smartphone. That's great, and I'm glad for that, but it seems more like a wireless GUI than the internet of things.
@NeverDie Here is a repo from Seeed showing master and slave comms.
https://github.com/Seeed-Studio/Bluetooth_Shield_Demo_Code/tree/master/examples
Oh and it looks like Kris posted his dev board on ohw.io
https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/7160/nrf52-development-board -
@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
So, what's the smallest nRF52 module that also includes a 32Khz crystal? I think I might want to standardize as much as possible on a single module rather than juggle a bunch of different ones.
What do you think about creating an table with known modules including integrated hardware, available ports and size?
I think, most small modules comes without 32kHz crystal. This is mostly an option. Maybe for the 9x9mm module. But I think the antenna is no good choice for indoor usage.
I have a lot of RedBear BLE Nano 2 (18x21mm) modules. It's complete including 32Khz crystal and a 3-13V voltage converter. With 2.54mm pins it's easy to solder.
I have asked the manufacturer(cdebyte) of the nice nRF24 and nRF52 modules if it's possible to build an module including the nRF52, an RGB LED, an button and 5V protected inputs with the layout like the popular nRF24 modules plus two optional pins (6/8 IO Ports!). I think such type of nRF52 module makes it easy to migrate to 32 Bit using existing boards or build new boards.
@d00616 said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
I have a lot of RedBear BLE Nano 2 (18x21mm) modules. It's complete including 32Khz crystal and a 3-13V voltage converter. With 2.54mm pins it's easy to solder.
Sounds like a good way to get started, as well as build quick prototypes.
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@NeverDie said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
hanks! I had been using a computer running Windows 7, and I got no joy with Zadig and st-link v2 on that. However, you just now mentioned Windows 10, so I'll give that a try.
I think the best option for beginners is to use an CMSIS-DAP/DAPLink adapter. Firmware and drivers are open source and there is an integrated serial port.
The ST-Link adapter is initialized with an ST-Link driver by libwdi. If you have luck you can find an old variant.
@d00616 said in Minimalist SAMD21 TQFP32 Pro Mini:
I think the best option for beginners is to use an CMSIS-DAP/DAPLink adapter. Firmware and drivers are open source and there is an integrated serial port.
Is this how to wire up a CMSIS-DAP to the nRF52832?
i.e. it's the same as a j-tag wiring setup, except that you add the serial Rx and Tx lines?
