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  • NeverDieN NeverDie

    @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

    @NeverDie
    Just a little thought on this and a bit of googling.
    Just the system on consumption is 1-2uA without the rtc that is needed for wakeup so i don,t think the figures we are getting are that far away from the spec sheet?

    Agreed. We're in the ballpark.

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    @NeverDie
    400,000 hours on 2xAA if we let it sleep.:smile:
    That will do for me!.
    Now a little playtime and maybe some range testing.

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    • rmtuckerR rmtucker

      @NeverDie
      400,000 hours on 2xAA if we let it sleep.:smile:
      That will do for me!.
      Now a little playtime and maybe some range testing.

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      @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

      @NeverDie
      400,000 hours on 2xAA if we let it sleep.:smile:
      That will do for me!.
      Now a little playtime and maybe some range testing.

      Yeah, I guess I won't amputate the xtal just yet. It can run for quite a while at 6ua. :)

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      • NeverDieN NeverDie

        So, just did the experiment, and here are the results. Supplying 3.3v to the Ebyte Module, a voltage of 3.0 volts on A4 yields an analogRead(A4) of 4095. Less voltage on A4 yields a lower number.

        So, generalizing, I suspect that the reference voltage for analogRead() is Vcc-0.3.

        So, you either know Vcc, because of a voltage regulator or something, or else you must call hwCpuVoltage() to get what it is. Then, subtract 0.3v from that, and that's the reference voltage which corresponds to an analogRead() return value of 4095.

        :)

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        @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

        So, generalizing, I suspect that the reference voltage for analogRead() is Vcc-0.3.

        The internal reference is 0.6V the nRF5 MCU's have an internal programmable divider. With Arduino this divider is programmed to 1/5. If you switch to the external reference the "gain" is 1/4.

        I measure with my CDEByte 11-15µA for sleep without interrupt waiting. With a RedBear BLE Nano 2 I have measured 15µA. Both compiled as BLE Nano 2. I have used the VC165 multimeter.

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        • NeverDieN NeverDie

          @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

          @NeverDie
          400,000 hours on 2xAA if we let it sleep.:smile:
          That will do for me!.
          Now a little playtime and maybe some range testing.

          Yeah, I guess I won't amputate the xtal just yet. It can run for quite a while at 6ua. :)

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          @NeverDie

          I2c is not working properly either.
          Here is a test on a HTU21D sensor.

          HTU21D-F test
          Temp: -46.57		Hum: 84.10
          Temp: 81.10		Hum: 59.68
          Temp: 81.10		Hum: 26.48
          Temp: -2.64		Hum: 26.48
          Temp: 51.58		Hum: 26.48
          Temp: 4.91		Hum: 25.02
          Temp: 33.74		Hum: 25.02
          Temp: 93.45		Hum: 25.02
          Temp: 4.22		Hum: 26.48
          Temp: 95.51		Hum: 116.81
          Temp: -39.02		Hum: 116.81
          Temp: 94.14		Hum: 25.02
          Temp: 94.14		Hum: 116.81
          Temp: 120.22		Hum: 116.81
          Temp: -8.82		Hum: 111.44
          Temp: 120.22		Hum: 19.64
          Temp: 94.14		Hum: 111.44
          Temp: -8.82		Hum: 116.81
          Temp: 120.22		Hum: 111.44
          Temp: 120.22		Hum: 111.44
          Temp: 120.22		Hum: 116.81
          Temp: -8.82		Hum: 19.64
          Temp: 94.14		Hum: 116.81
          Temp: 33.05		Hum: 111.44
          Temp: 94.14		Hum: 19.64
          Temp: 94.14		Hum: 19.64
          Temp: 4.22		Hum: 19.64
          Temp: 2.84		Hum: 111.44
          Temp: 3.53		Hum: 111.44
          Temp: -10.20		Hum: 19.64
          
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            #536

            @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

            I2c is not working properly either.

            Seems like there's more than one library named "Wire" that's floating around at the same time. I wonder if perhaps the compiler is finding the proper Wire library inside Arduino-nRF5? Or maybe it's linking with an unrelated Wire library? To answer that, you could try inserting a Serial.println() into the proper library and see if it fires off when you run your code.

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            • NeverDieN NeverDie

              @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

              I2c is not working properly either.

              Seems like there's more than one library named "Wire" that's floating around at the same time. I wonder if perhaps the compiler is finding the proper Wire library inside Arduino-nRF5? Or maybe it's linking with an unrelated Wire library? To answer that, you could try inserting a Serial.println() into the proper library and see if it fires off when you run your code.

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              @NeverDie
              Yes checked that and it is using the correct wire.h.

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              • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                @NeverDie
                Yes checked that and it is using the correct wire.h.

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                #538

                @rmtucker
                Is there a mysensors demo sketch that involves i2c? I could try it on my end, though I expect I'd probably get the same as you.

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                  I see that Amazon is selling the Arduino Primo now: https://www.amazon.com/Arduino-A000138-low-power-coin-sized-wearables/dp/B073JN7XXR/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1501982634&sr=8-12&keywords=nrf52832

                  First time I've seen it for sale anywhere.

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                  • NeverDieN NeverDie

                    I see that Amazon is selling the Arduino Primo now: https://www.amazon.com/Arduino-A000138-low-power-coin-sized-wearables/dp/B073JN7XXR/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1501982634&sr=8-12&keywords=nrf52832

                    First time I've seen it for sale anywhere.

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                    @NeverDie they also has started to sell "big" Primo

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                    • T Toyman

                      @NeverDie they also has started to sell "big" Primo

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                      @Toyman said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                      @NeverDie they also has started to sell "big" Primo

                      Yeah, the big version has Wi-Fi, so I suspect it's meant to function much like a wireless serial gateway.

                      For the convenience of other readers here, here's a link:
                      https://www.amazon.com/Arduino-A000135-featuring-Nordic-processor/dp/B0721P6STJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502011422&sr=8-1&keywords=arduino+primo

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                        Maybe you can get much of the same benefits--but at a lower cost--by combining an nRF5 with an ESP8266. Example:
                        https://www.openhardware.io/view/443/nRF52832-ESP-LINK-Shield-for-ESP8266-Wemos-D1-Mini

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                          This is strange: now when I do the timed sleep on the infor-link module, it shows a current drain of about 60ua, whereas yesterday it was around 6ua. Maybe I somehow damaged it by connecting a couple of the input pins (A2 and A4) to Vcc? I wouldn't think so, though, because the datasheet says it should be safe to Vcc + 0.3v.

                          I have one unused infor-link module left. I'll try wiring it up, but without the input pins this time, and measure it. I'm wondering now whether the sleep current will measure out to be 60ua, or 6ua.

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                          • NeverDieN NeverDie

                            @rmtucker
                            Is there a mysensors demo sketch that involves i2c? I could try it on my end, though I expect I'd probably get the same as you.

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                            @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                            Is there a mysensors demo sketch that involves i2c? I could try it on my end, though I expect I'd probably get the same as you.

                            I have used I2C with an display and u8g2 without any problem.

                            @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                            I have one unused infor-link module left. I'll try wiring it up, but without the input pins this time, and measure it. I'm wondering now whether the sleep current will measure out to be 60ua, or 6ua

                            With the nRF51 there is an bug, after using the debug interface the current consumption is higher until reset.

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                              @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              Is there a mysensors demo sketch that involves i2c? I could try it on my end, though I expect I'd probably get the same as you.

                              I have used I2C with an display and u8g2 without any problem.

                              @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              I have one unused infor-link module left. I'll try wiring it up, but without the input pins this time, and measure it. I'm wondering now whether the sleep current will measure out to be 60ua, or 6ua

                              With the nRF51 there is an bug, after using the debug interface the current consumption is higher until reset.

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                              @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              I have used I2C with an display and u8g2 without any problem.

                              Yes But it seems to have trouble reading sensors.
                              It has been mentioned on sandeepmistry github.

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                              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                This is strange: now when I do the timed sleep on the infor-link module, it shows a current drain of about 60ua, whereas yesterday it was around 6ua. Maybe I somehow damaged it by connecting a couple of the input pins (A2 and A4) to Vcc? I wouldn't think so, though, because the datasheet says it should be safe to Vcc + 0.3v.

                                I have one unused infor-link module left. I'll try wiring it up, but without the input pins this time, and measure it. I'm wondering now whether the sleep current will measure out to be 60ua, or 6ua.

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                                @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                This is strange: now when I do the timed sleep on the infor-link module, it shows a current drain of about 60ua, whereas yesterday it was around 6ua. Maybe I somehow damaged it by connecting a couple of the input pins (A2 and A4) to Vcc? I wouldn't think so, though, because the datasheet says it should be safe to Vcc + 0.3v.

                                I have one unused infor-link module left. I'll try wiring it up, but without the input pins this time, and measure it. I'm wondering now whether the sleep current will measure out to be 60ua, or 6ua.

                                The answer is.... neither. This time, with a fresh infor-link module, it measured at about 16ua.

                                However, I'm guessing there's quite a lot of noise involved, because this time I noticed I could change the reading just by moving my hand closer or further away from the infor-link module. So, I may have to scope this to see what's going on.

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                                • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                                  @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                  I have used I2C with an display and u8g2 without any problem.

                                  Yes But it seems to have trouble reading sensors.
                                  It has been mentioned on sandeepmistry github.

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                                  @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                  @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                  I have used I2C with an display and u8g2 without any problem.

                                  Yes But it seems to have trouble reading sensors.
                                  It has been mentioned on sandeepmistry github.

                                  I have found this issue: https://github.com/sandeepmistry/arduino-nRF5/issues/180

                                  Is this yours?

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                                    @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                    @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                    I have used I2C with an display and u8g2 without any problem.

                                    Yes But it seems to have trouble reading sensors.
                                    It has been mentioned on sandeepmistry github.

                                    I have found this issue: https://github.com/sandeepmistry/arduino-nRF5/issues/180

                                    Is this yours?

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                                    @d00616
                                    No not mine but that is the issue i was talking about.
                                    When connecting DS3231 RTC i get the same as that guy mentions.
                                    When connecting HTU21D the readings are all over the place.

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                                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                      @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                      This is strange: now when I do the timed sleep on the infor-link module, it shows a current drain of about 60ua, whereas yesterday it was around 6ua. Maybe I somehow damaged it by connecting a couple of the input pins (A2 and A4) to Vcc? I wouldn't think so, though, because the datasheet says it should be safe to Vcc + 0.3v.

                                      I have one unused infor-link module left. I'll try wiring it up, but without the input pins this time, and measure it. I'm wondering now whether the sleep current will measure out to be 60ua, or 6ua.

                                      The answer is.... neither. This time, with a fresh infor-link module, it measured at about 16ua.

                                      However, I'm guessing there's quite a lot of noise involved, because this time I noticed I could change the reading just by moving my hand closer or further away from the infor-link module. So, I may have to scope this to see what's going on.

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                                      @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                      @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                      This is strange: now when I do the timed sleep on the infor-link module, it shows a current drain of about 60ua, whereas yesterday it was around 6ua. Maybe I somehow damaged it by connecting a couple of the input pins (A2 and A4) to Vcc? I wouldn't think so, though, because the datasheet says it should be safe to Vcc + 0.3v.

                                      I have one unused infor-link module left. I'll try wiring it up, but without the input pins this time, and measure it. I'm wondering now whether the sleep current will measure out to be 60ua, or 6ua.

                                      The answer is.... neither. This time, with a fresh infor-link module, it measured at about 16ua.

                                      However, I'm guessing there's quite a lot of noise involved, because this time I noticed I could change the reading just by moving my hand closer or further away from the infor-link module. So, I may have to scope this to see what's going on.

                                      So, I decided to try running it from a 10F 2.7v supercap and see how long it lasts. It reports its voltage once every 5 minutes. I'm using Domoticz to log the values and graph them.

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                                      • d00616D d00616

                                        @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                        @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                        I have used I2C with an display and u8g2 without any problem.

                                        Yes But it seems to have trouble reading sensors.
                                        It has been mentioned on sandeepmistry github.

                                        I have found this issue: https://github.com/sandeepmistry/arduino-nRF5/issues/180

                                        Is this yours?

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                                        @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                        @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                        @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:
                                        

                                        I have used I2C with an display and u8g2 without any problem.

                                        Yes But it seems to have trouble reading sensors.
                                        It has been mentioned on sandeepmistry github.

                                        I have found this issue: https://github.com/sandeepmistry/arduino-nRF5/issues/180

                                        Is this yours?

                                        Does it rest entirely on Sandeep's shoulders as to if/when it gets fixed? I'm trying to understand how big/small the workforce is.

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                                        • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                                          @d00616
                                          No not mine but that is the issue i was talking about.
                                          When connecting DS3231 RTC i get the same as that guy mentions.
                                          When connecting HTU21D the readings are all over the place.

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                                          @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                          @d00616
                                          No not mine but that is the issue i was talking about.
                                          When connecting DS3231 RTC i get the same as that guy mentions.
                                          When connecting HTU21D the readings are all over the place.

                                          @scalz Have you encountered any I2C problems in your work on Aeos? I seem to recall you have a TH sensor in it.

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