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  • NeverDieN Offline
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    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
    #793

    Good news! I went back and re-rechecked using an un-modified Ebyte module, and, indeed, this time I'm sure that the DCDC inductors are already on it! What follows is the proof. Here is the current drawn when the above DCDCEN is enabled on an unmodified Ebyte module:

    0_1504461945615_NewFile2.jpg

    Now, here is the current drawn with the exact same script on the exact same unmodified Ebyte module, but with the DCDCEN line of code commented out:

    0_1504461988147_NewFile3.jpg

    QED.

    As you can see, the savings in current consumption are considerable with the DCDC enabled!

    [Edit: although looking at it again, the timescale seems way off. Argh. Something still isn't right.]

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      #794

      Scratch the preceeding post. I redid it more carefully this time, and I believe it confirms that the Ebyte module does not have the two inductors required for DC/DC mode.

      Here is the current drawn by an unmodified Ebyte nRF52832 module which is programmed to be receiving for about 1.5ms every 100ms:
      0_1504472450738_NewFile1.jpg
      0_1504472465572_NewFile2.jpg

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        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
        #795

        Here is what happens with exactly the same hardware (no inductors yet added), but with DCDCEN enabled:
        0_1504472667206_NewFile3.jpg

        0_1504472696820_NewFile4.jpg
        It basically seems caught in a boot loop.

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          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
          #796

          Now, adding the two inductors between DCC and DEC4, and re-measuring, we get:
          0_1504472770946_NewFile1.jpg

          0_1504472782958_NewFile2.jpg

          No less importantly, it does receive and decode packets!

          Conclusion: Ebyte nRF52832 modules don't come with the DC/DC inductors already installed. However, they can be added, resulting in some current reduction.

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            wrote on last edited by NeverDie
            #797

            I've baked these findings into a new breakout board for the Ebyte nRF52832:
            https://www.openhardware.io/view/471
            The new breakout board will enable the module to work in DC/DC mode.

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              #798

              I may have found a clue as to why the reset pin (pin0.21) on the nRF52832 isn't working.

              On the nRF52832 DK, I read the following register values:
              PSELRESET[0]=21
              PSELRESET[1]=21

              which is as expected. However, on the Ebyte nRF52832 module, I read those register values as:
              PSELRESET[0]=4294967295
              PSELRESET[1]=4294967295

              which makes no sense. The values match, but they don't correspond to a pin number that can represent RESET.

              These two registers are described in the nRF52832 datasheet.

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                I may have found a clue as to why the reset pin (pin0.21) on the nRF52832 isn't working.

                On the nRF52832 DK, I read the following register values:
                PSELRESET[0]=21
                PSELRESET[1]=21

                which is as expected. However, on the Ebyte nRF52832 module, I read those register values as:
                PSELRESET[0]=4294967295
                PSELRESET[1]=4294967295

                which makes no sense. The values match, but they don't correspond to a pin number that can represent RESET.

                These two registers are described in the nRF52832 datasheet.

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                #799

                @NeverDie not sure if you've already noticed, but 4294967295 is the maximum value for an unsigned 32-bit integer. So the value is 0xFFFFFFFF. That often means uninitialized. I don't know why it would be uninitialized though.

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                • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                  @NeverDie not sure if you've already noticed, but 4294967295 is the maximum value for an unsigned 32-bit integer. So the value is 0xFFFFFFFF. That often means uninitialized. I don't know why it would be uninitialized though.

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                  #800

                  @mfalkvidd

                  Maybe because they just never were?
                  Those particular registers are "The user information configuration registers (UICRs) are non-volatile memory (NVM) registers for configuring user specific settings." So, it would seem that initializing them just once would be enough, since they're non-volatile.

                  In any case, good catch! It explains both why they are that value and also why they match.

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                    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                    #801

                    @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                    4294967295

                    Also, since 4294967295 equals 0xFFFFFFFF, then bit 31 is a '1', which, according to the datasheet, means the pin is disconnected (see section 14.1.60 PSELRESET[0] of the datasheet for the detail].

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                    • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                      @NeverDie not sure if you've already noticed, but 4294967295 is the maximum value for an unsigned 32-bit integer. So the value is 0xFFFFFFFF. That often means uninitialized. I don't know why it would be uninitialized though.

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                      @mfalkvidd said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                      So the value is 0xFFFFFFFF. That often means uninitialized. I don't know why it would be uninitialized though.

                      There's a chance we may have unwittingly done it ourselves! Remember back to when we were doing an explicit "Erase All"? From the datasheet:

                      11.5 Erase all
                      When erase is enabled, the whole Flash and UICR can be erased in one operation by using the ERASEALL
                      register.

                      Furthermore, from page 29 of the datasheet:

                      After erasing UICR all bits in UICR are set to '1'.

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                        @mfalkvidd said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                        So the value is 0xFFFFFFFF. That often means uninitialized. I don't know why it would be uninitialized though.

                        There's a chance we may have unwittingly done it ourselves! Remember back to when we were doing an explicit "Erase All"? From the datasheet:

                        11.5 Erase all
                        When erase is enabled, the whole Flash and UICR can be erased in one operation by using the ERASEALL
                        register.

                        Furthermore, from page 29 of the datasheet:

                        After erasing UICR all bits in UICR are set to '1'.

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                        @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                        @mfalkvidd said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                        So the value is 0xFFFFFFFF. That often means uninitialized. I don't know why it would be uninitialized though.

                        There's a chance we may have unwittingly done it ourselves! Remember back to when we were doing an explicit "Erase All"? From the datasheet:

                        This is part of the arduino-nrf5 code -> https://github.com/sandeepmistry/arduino-nRF5/blob/dc53980c8bac27898fca90d8ecb268e11111edc1/cores/nRF5/SDK/components/toolchain/system_nrf52.c#L156

                        I don't have any idea why this is not included in the binary. When the reset menu is selected then "-DCONFIG_GPIO_AS_PINRESET" is given to gcc.

                        When system_nrf52.c is completely ignored, then the erratas are not handled.

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                          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                          #804

                          Here is some verbose code which properly sets the registers to use pin P0.21 as the RESET pin:

                          Serial.println("Testing...");
                          delay(10000);  //give preparation time to open serial tty
                          Serial.print(counter);
                          Serial.print(", PSELRESET[0]=");
                          Serial.println(NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[0]);
                          Serial.print(counter++);
                          Serial.print(", PSELRESET[1]=");
                          Serial.println(NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[1]);
                          
                          Serial.println();
                          Serial.println("Write-enabling CONFIG.");
                          NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=1;  // Write enable the UICR
                          
                          Serial.println();
                          Serial.println("Now designating pin pO.21 as the RESET pin.");
                          NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[0]=21;  //designate pin pO.21 as the RESET pin
                          NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[1]=21;  //designate pin pO.21 as the RESET pin
                          
                          Serial.println();
                          Serial.println("Confirming that RESET pin assigment took hold:");
                          Serial.print(counter);
                          Serial.print(", PSELRESET[0]=");
                          Serial.println(NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[0]);
                          Serial.print(counter++);
                          Serial.print(", PSELRESET[1]=");
                          Serial.println(NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[1]);
                          
                          Serial.println();
                          Serial.println("Return CONFIG to read-only mode.");
                          NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=0;  // Put the UICR back into read-only mode.
                          

                          Running it once seems to be good enough, unless there were to occur another "Erase All" or "Burn bootloader" event.

                          Here is the output from running the code which shows that it succeeded:

                          Testing...
                          0, PSELRESET[0]=4294967295
                          0, PSELRESET[1]=4294967295
                          
                          Write-enabling CONFIG.
                          
                          Now designating pin pO.21 as the RESET pin.
                          
                          Confirming that RESET pin assigment took hold:
                          1, PSELRESET[0]=21
                          1, PSELRESET[1]=21
                          
                          Return CONFIG to read-only mode.
                          
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                            wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                            #805

                            Until a more elegant solution can be found, I'm using this in the setup() routine as the workaround:

                              if (((NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[0])==0xFFFFFFFF) && ((NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[1])==0xFFFFFFFF)) { //if the two RESET registers are erased
                                NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=1;  // Write enable the UICR
                                NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[0]=21;  //designate pin P0.21 as the RESET pin
                                NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[1]=21;  //designate pin P0.21 as the RESET pin
                                NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=0;  // Put the UICR back into read-only mode.
                              }
                            

                            The code has the positive virtue of not writing to the RESET rregisters unless both registers are erased. That helps ensure that the non-volatile memory does not get worn out prematurely.

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                              Until a more elegant solution can be found, I'm using this in the setup() routine as the workaround:

                                if (((NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[0])==0xFFFFFFFF) && ((NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[1])==0xFFFFFFFF)) { //if the two RESET registers are erased
                                  NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=1;  // Write enable the UICR
                                  NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[0]=21;  //designate pin P0.21 as the RESET pin
                                  NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[1]=21;  //designate pin P0.21 as the RESET pin
                                  NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=0;  // Put the UICR back into read-only mode.
                                }
                              

                              The code has the positive virtue of not writing to the RESET rregisters unless both registers are erased. That helps ensure that the non-volatile memory does not get worn out prematurely.

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                              wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                              #806

                              @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              Until a more elegant solution can be found, I'm using this in the setup() routine as the workaround:

                                if (((NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[0])==0xFFFFFFFF) && ((NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[1])==0xFFFFFFFF)) { //if the two RESET registers are erased
                                  NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=1;  // Write enable the UICR
                                  NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[0]=21;  //designate pin P0.21 as the RESET pin
                                  NRF_UICR-> PSELRESET[1]=21;  //designate pin P0.21 as the RESET pin
                                  NRF_NVMC->CONFIG=0;  // Put the UICR back into read-only mode.
                                }
                              

                              The code has the positive virtue of not writing to the RESET rregisters unless both registers are erased. That helps ensure that the non-volatile memory does not get worn out prematurely.

                              Good news! I've confirmed that doing this does indeed solve the problem I previously had with the EByte nRF52832 module not reacting to a reset on pin P0.21. After inserting the above code block into the nRF52832's setup() routine, I can now, using ESP-LINK, remotely reset an nRF52832 module:
                              https://www.openhardware.io/view/443/nRF52832-ESP-LINK-Shield-for-ESP8266-Wemos-D1-Mini

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                                wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                #807

                                With that issue now settled, I'm moving on to a different topic: what happens if you put the radio into Tx mode, but with an empty buffer (i.e. nothing to send)? In this scenario an RFM69 transmits a continuous pre-amble, and I'm wondering whether the nRF52832 does the same?
                                With an empty buffer, does it transmit anything at all? Anyone happen to know?

                                The reason I ask is that I want to program the radio to send a continuous signal so as to quickly wake-up a receiver. With packets, there's the lag time of receiving and decoding the packet, rather than just reacting to a high RSSI. In this way, I can use much narrower listen windows and thereby save a lot of current consumption.

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #808

                                  According to the datasheet, the typical RSSI sample period is just 0.25us. However, what spoils that a bit is that the radio has to come up to speed beforehand.

                                  Anyhow, on the receive side, I now have at least that much working.

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                                    #809

                                    It looks as though the start-up time for the radio is about 390us. So, it does save a lot of current to first check the RSSI level rather than to always listen for a packet.

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                                      #810

                                      When I measure RSSI on the nRF52832, I get what seems like a rather odd range of values: between about 94 and 127. If I have no other nodes transmitting, then the RSSI is generally around 100. If I set up another node which deliberately transmits on the same channel, then the RSSI is pegged at 127.

                                      Is that what others here are also seeing? Here's the test code:

                                      uint8_t theRSSI;
                                      void loop() {
                                        
                                      NRF_RADIO->TASKS_RXEN=1;  //start revving up the receiver
                                      while (!(NRF_RADIO->EVENTS_READY)) {} //busy-wait until radio ready to receive
                                      NRF_RADIO->TASKS_RSSISTART=1;  //Take exactly one RSSI sample
                                      while (!(NRF_RADIO->EVENTS_RSSIEND)) {}  //Busy-wait until RSSI sample is completed.
                                      theRSSI = NRF_RADIO->RSSISAMPLE;
                                      
                                      Serial.println(theRSSI);
                                      Serial.flush();
                                      sleep(1000);
                                      }
                                      
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                                        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                        #811

                                        Unfortunately, when I use the above code block and test the current using an oscilliscope, it becomes clear that the radio never actually goes to sleep:

                                        0_1504740304312_NewFile1.jpg
                                        So, to do that, I add the line:

                                        NRF_RADIO->TASKS_DISABLE=1;  //turn-off the radio
                                        

                                        just prior to sleep(100). Doing that largely eliminates the current drain while sleeping:
                                        0_1504740345602_NewFile3.jpg

                                        However, if I do that, then the RSSI that gets reported is always 127. Why? Do I need some other way to check the radio states? Maybe STATE from section 23.14.25 STATE of the datasheet would work better?

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                                          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                          #812

                                          Found a breakout board for the nRF51822-04: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/zqDQaykJ
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