Bosch BME680 Sensor
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@nca78 said in Bosch BME680 Sensor:
@alexsh1 air quality is more accurate than other sensors but you need to use software from Bosch. It uses temperature, humidity and pressure to adjust measures gas value with some calibration data.
As it needs a lot of memory you will need an SAMD, ESP or NRF5 processor to run it.Have you gotten the Bosch library to work on any of the above?
At present my living room seems to be a prestine 260KOhm. I say that only because the higher the number, the better. Also, my SGP30 says I have 400ppm CO2 and around 14ppb VOC, which I guess is pretty good. i.e. it correlates with the Bosch value.
How is it that you are currently interpreting the KOhm values?
So, now the Bosch is reading 285, but the SGP30 is reading about the same. So, I guess it's just a loose correlation. Either that or the Bosch presents the result of trailing averages.
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Wow, I just now tried changing the pre-heat time on the BME680, and I get completely different KOhm values. I tried going from 150ms to 1 second, 2 seconds, 3 seconds, and 4 seconds. Each time the KOhm value went up, even though the air is exactly the same. At 4 seconds I was getting 760KOhm, as compared to 280KOhm with the much shorter pre-heat time of 150ms.
Given this, how does one pick a proper pre-heat time?
[Edit: even worse, now that I've tried these other settings, if I go back to the original settings (pre-heat to 320C for 150ms), I'm getting much lower values than previously. Now, instead of 280Kohms, I'm getting far close to 200KOhms.
This is not good!
Even how often I read the sensor has an effect on the value it reports.]
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Wow, I just now tried changing the pre-heat time on the BME680, and I get completely different KOhm values. I tried going from 150ms to 1 second, 2 seconds, 3 seconds, and 4 seconds. Each time the KOhm value went up, even though the air is exactly the same. At 4 seconds I was getting 760KOhm, as compared to 280KOhm with the much shorter pre-heat time of 150ms.
Given this, how does one pick a proper pre-heat time?
[Edit: even worse, now that I've tried these other settings, if I go back to the original settings (pre-heat to 320C for 150ms), I'm getting much lower values than previously. Now, instead of 280Kohms, I'm getting far close to 200KOhms.
This is not good!
Even how often I read the sensor has an effect on the value it reports.]
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I am dealing with these types of sensors on a professional level so, I thought I could add to your experiments.
As mentioned above these sensors are very sensitive to organic compounds, which get emitted by silicon bases materials.This can go as far as tainting the sensors completely and rendering them useless. I remember a oversized project to qualify new glues for the whole production, after having to scrap 5k+ sensors because of tainting. They said the sensors where “poisoned” 😊
A standard approach is to get rid of some residual compounds is to heat the sensor to a higher temperature to get rid of these compounds, then lowering the temp. to get a reading.
This is all not low power application but I guess BOSCH is going this approach. The reason why you get different resistive values after you experimented with preheat phase times, seems to me as a typical finding after a longer heating phases, which “cleaned” the sensor.
The reason why you get higher values with longer preheat times is weird though. Maybe they use the known thermal mass of the sensor to estimate the die temperature from the heating time with known power. But this would be a very crude approach, but would explain your results. The longer the preheat phase, the hotter the senor, changing your results. -
I'm guessing the BME680 sensor just doesn't lend itself to one-off measurements. Probably (?) using the BSEC software is required, as well as waiting up to 4 days for it to calibrate. Here's a quote from the datasheet:
The calibration process considers the recent measurement history (typ. up to four days) to ensure that IAQ ~ 25 corresponds to “typical good” air and IAQ ~ 250 indicates “typical polluted” air
It does make me wonder though: if it calibrates in a dirty environment, how does it ever know what a clean environment is?
In any case, I think there needs to be more guidance about what kind of pre-heats to do and for how long, and also how often the sensor should be read, since that also appears to affect the measured value.
[Edit: I will say that the SGP30 seems a lot easier to comprehend and work with, and its measured values seem to make sense in light of what I know about the environment. So, I'm not sure that I'll be going further with the BME680 at this time. Its use of closed libraries is just not friendly, and the non-transparency draws into question whether the code is even correct or not since the usual checks by open inspection are missing. ]
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I'm guessing the BME680 sensor just doesn't lend itself to one-off measurements. Probably (?) using the BSEC software is required, as well as waiting up to 4 days for it to calibrate. Here's a quote from the datasheet:
The calibration process considers the recent measurement history (typ. up to four days) to ensure that IAQ ~ 25 corresponds to “typical good” air and IAQ ~ 250 indicates “typical polluted” air
It does make me wonder though: if it calibrates in a dirty environment, how does it ever know what a clean environment is?
In any case, I think there needs to be more guidance about what kind of pre-heats to do and for how long, and also how often the sensor should be read, since that also appears to affect the measured value.
[Edit: I will say that the SGP30 seems a lot easier to comprehend and work with, and its measured values seem to make sense in light of what I know about the environment. So, I'm not sure that I'll be going further with the BME680 at this time. Its use of closed libraries is just not friendly, and the non-transparency draws into question whether the code is even correct or not since the usual checks by open inspection are missing. ]
Thank you for the feedback @neverdie, it seems I need to order some SGP30. I'll add it to my air quality board and also add a level converter for i2C section.
Did you buy the BME680 on a breakout board or chip only ?
I'm not shocked by the "calibration" process, it's similar to what CO2 sensors do, they take the minimum over a period of time and decide it's 400ppm (co2 level outside). It's not adapted to constantly polluted/closed environment but fine for inside home where you're supposed to regularly open windows to get fresh air.
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Thank you for the feedback @neverdie, it seems I need to order some SGP30. I'll add it to my air quality board and also add a level converter for i2C section.
Did you buy the BME680 on a breakout board or chip only ?
I'm not shocked by the "calibration" process, it's similar to what CO2 sensors do, they take the minimum over a period of time and decide it's 400ppm (co2 level outside). It's not adapted to constantly polluted/closed environment but fine for inside home where you're supposed to regularly open windows to get fresh air.
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I am working on BME680 to interface with the MSP430launch pad having microcontroller MSP430G2553 using I2C interface. My code is not working correctly and I am getting the wrong readings. May be there will be problems in compensation parameters. I tried the almost similar code on BME280 and it was working fine.
Online code available at Github is only for arduino and I have checked it is working on my sensor adafruit BME680 board interfaced with arduino.
Please someone can help me.
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@nca78 I bought my bme680 on an adafruit breakout board. Same with the SGP30. Both purchased from Digikey.
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@alexsh1
No I am not using the BSEC library. I read the raw values of the resistance and calculate the first derivative for triggering the ventilation system. The ventilation system is turned on, when
(delta resistance)/minute > thresholdSometimes the ventilation is also triggered when I open my fridge. Then the smell of food coming out of the fridge also fires the trigger.
It is said that the sensor is very sensitive to any kind of silicone which is basically everywhere in the air when you have dishes created from silicone in your kitchen. Silicone poisens/blinds the sensor immediately for several hours.
So be careful when making experiments with it.@heinz Please help me out. I am using bme680 just for humidity and temperature and trying to run code on code composer studio without activating the gas registers.Problem is that where are the data calibration registers.I am getting the temperature results correct but humidity results are completely terrible. I am getting the values of humidity like 0% then 100% then -1.35% then 0 the 1.8%
Kindly provide some help. I am using msp430 launch pad and I2c protocol to communicate between sensor and controller.
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@heinz Please help me out. I am using bme680 just for humidity and temperature and trying to run code on code composer studio without activating the gas registers.Problem is that where are the data calibration registers.I am getting the temperature results correct but humidity results are completely terrible. I am getting the values of humidity like 0% then 100% then -1.35% then 0 the 1.8%
Kindly provide some help. I am using msp430 launch pad and I2c protocol to communicate between sensor and controller.
@sm_ali
You can have a look at this lib here
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DFRobot/DFRobot_BME680/master/bme680.cthere is code that handles the calib thing
