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💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel

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  • NeverDieN NeverDie

    @NeverDie said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

    @Nca78 said in 💬 CR2032 Small Wireless Temperature-Humidity Sensor:

    Also, what about moving the led to the center next to its resistor, it would leave enough space to squeeze in a SOT 23 ultra low power hall sensor and it's 100nF capacitor.

    Yes, with the Version 4 design serving as the basis, I think there will be enough room to do this.

    I'd also like to add a light sensor of some kind: something that will trigger an interrupt when, say, a refrigerator light goes on or off (for the case where the temperature node is in a refrigertor or freezer). Do you have any particular suggestions for that? A simple photoresistor, or would there be something better (lower current)?
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    A photoresistor turns out to work just fine for binary detection of whether a light is on or off:
    0_1512275545150_photo_resistor.jpg
    I put it in one of the header pin hole pairs otherwise reserved for the leak detection pins and then ran the leak detection sketch. When a light goes on, the resistance of the photoresistor goes from about 20 megaohms in the dark down to well under 100K ohms (exactly amount depends on the light intensity) in the light. So, under light stimulus the photoresistor behaves essentially the same as leak detection pins which have come into contact with water. :)

    The one I used is this: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/luna-optoelectronics/NSL-19M51/NSL-19M51-ND/5039794 Perhaps a cheaper photoresistor would have worked just as well, but for proof of concept prototyping I wanted to try this one, which had desirable specs.

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    @NeverDie It appears that photoresistors of type 5539 and/or 5549 may work as well: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-20pcs-5549-light-dependent-resistor-photoresistor-resistor-5mm-photosensitive-resistance-35513/32346773727.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_5000015_10151_10344_10068_10130_10345_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10341_10548_10545_5130015_10541_10084_10083_10307_5690015_10539_5080015_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_100031_10604_10603_10103_10605_5060015_10596_10142_10107,searchweb201603_12,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=14488cca-cb1a-4d45-b8d2-d8b444735f2a-16&algo_pvid=14488cca-cb1a-4d45-b8d2-d8b444735f2a&rmStoreLevelAB=2

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      @NeverDie and what is your approximative power consumption with the photoresistor ?

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      • NeverDieN NeverDie

        @NeverDie It appears that photoresistors of type 5539 and/or 5549 may work as well: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-20pcs-5549-light-dependent-resistor-photoresistor-resistor-5mm-photosensitive-resistance-35513/32346773727.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_5000015_10151_10344_10068_10130_10345_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10341_10548_10545_5130015_10541_10084_10083_10307_5690015_10539_5080015_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_100031_10604_10603_10103_10605_5060015_10596_10142_10107,searchweb201603_12,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=14488cca-cb1a-4d45-b8d2-d8b444735f2a-16&algo_pvid=14488cca-cb1a-4d45-b8d2-d8b444735f2a&rmStoreLevelAB=2

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        @NeverDie When using a voltage-divider setup with the LDR you'll have better control over the tripping point and consume less standby power:

        0_1512289467502_upload-3f3a91f9-2d14-4ceb-bcae-120d4f9022ed

        Make sure to select an LDR with high resistance, like the 5549 in my example.

        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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        • Nca78N Nca78

          @NeverDie and what is your approximative power consumption with the photoresistor ?

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          @Nca78 said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

          @NeverDie and what is your approximative power consumption with the photoresistor ?

          With the photoresistor installed, current consumption for the entire node measures out at 4ua in the dark and 7.2ua in full saturation brightness. That compares to 3.9ua current consumption for the node with no photoresistor installed.

          I'm still waiting for the I2C light sensor to arrive. However, as these photoresistors cost only a little more than 2 cents each for a pack of 50 (see above Aliexpress link), I think they're a reasonable choice for a refrigerator app, where it's going to be completely dark most of the time anyway.

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          • NeverDieN NeverDie

            @Nca78 said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

            @NeverDie and what is your approximative power consumption with the photoresistor ?

            With the photoresistor installed, current consumption for the entire node measures out at 4ua in the dark and 7.2ua in full saturation brightness. That compares to 3.9ua current consumption for the node with no photoresistor installed.

            I'm still waiting for the I2C light sensor to arrive. However, as these photoresistors cost only a little more than 2 cents each for a pack of 50 (see above Aliexpress link), I think they're a reasonable choice for a refrigerator app, where it's going to be completely dark most of the time anyway.

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            @NeverDie said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

            I'm still waiting for the I2C light sensor to arrive. However, as these photoresistors cost only a little more than 2 cents each for a pack of 50 (see above Aliexpress link), I think they're a reasonable choice for a refrigerator app, where it's going to be completely dark most of the time anyway.

            Yes it's nearly not changing the consumption in sleep so if you have only a basic use for dark/light it's a waste to use an i2c sensor, which will use more energy most of the time.

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              #85

              @nca78 What would be a good tiny buzzer to put on it, for making one of those ever popular location tags? I'm guessing something piezo? I'm not finding anything tiny though.

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              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                @nca78 What would be a good tiny buzzer to put on it, for making one of those ever popular location tags? I'm guessing something piezo? I'm not finding anything tiny though.

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                For instance, anything smaller than this?
                https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2731HZ-3x4-5x1-9mm-Super-small-miniature-AAC-electromagnetic-DET402-G-1-SMD-Passive-buzzer-3/32839766133.html?spm=2114.search0204.3.177.AclxtY&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_5000015_10151_10344_10068_10130_10345_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_51102_10546_10340_10341_10548_10545_5130015_10541_10084_10083_10307_5690015_10539_5080015_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_100031_10604_10603_10103_10605_10594_5060015_10596_10142_10107,searchweb201603_14,ppcSwitch_4_ppcChannel&algo_expid=692cffc2-e301-4616-a6f8-76921652c1ba-23&algo_pvid=692cffc2-e301-4616-a6f8-76921652c1ba&rmStoreLevelAB=0

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                • NeverDieN NeverDie

                  For instance, anything smaller than this?
                  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2731HZ-3x4-5x1-9mm-Super-small-miniature-AAC-electromagnetic-DET402-G-1-SMD-Passive-buzzer-3/32839766133.html?spm=2114.search0204.3.177.AclxtY&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_5000015_10151_10344_10068_10130_10345_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_51102_10546_10340_10341_10548_10545_5130015_10541_10084_10083_10307_5690015_10539_5080015_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_100031_10604_10603_10103_10605_10594_5060015_10596_10142_10107,searchweb201603_14,ppcSwitch_4_ppcChannel&algo_expid=692cffc2-e301-4616-a6f8-76921652c1ba-23&algo_pvid=692cffc2-e301-4616-a6f8-76921652c1ba&rmStoreLevelAB=0

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                  @neverdie this looks pretty small for a buzzer already. Sorry no idea about smaller ones, but please post your results I'm interested :)

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                  • Nca78N Nca78

                    @neverdie this looks pretty small for a buzzer already. Sorry no idea about smaller ones, but please post your results I'm interested :)

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                    #88

                    @nca78 Will do. I ordered 20 of them. Might be a nice addition on a leak detector also.

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                      #89

                      I finally received the MAX44009 board:
                      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Electronics-5PCS-lot-MAX44009-ambient-light-sensor-is-the-I2C-digital-output-module-development-board/32767691971.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.sOFetX
                      I'm able to read lux values by pulling A0 on the board to Vcc and using this library and sketch:
                      https://github.com/dantudose/MAX44009/blob/master/Example/Luxmeter.ino
                      Very easy. :)

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                      • NeverDieN NeverDie

                        I finally received the MAX44009 board:
                        https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Electronics-5PCS-lot-MAX44009-ambient-light-sensor-is-the-I2C-digital-output-module-development-board/32767691971.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.sOFetX
                        I'm able to read lux values by pulling A0 on the board to Vcc and using this library and sketch:
                        https://github.com/dantudose/MAX44009/blob/master/Example/Luxmeter.ino
                        Very easy. :)

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                        @neverdie you don't even need to bother with a lib, just 2 functions are enough.
                        https://blog.kkessler.com/tag/max44009/

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                          even if it's two functions only, if i need to reuse them in others sketch, I would prefer them in a lib. Only "one line" (include) in the sketch compared to x lines ;)

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                          • Nca78N Nca78

                            @neverdie this looks pretty small for a buzzer already. Sorry no idea about smaller ones, but please post your results I'm interested :)

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                            #92

                            @nca78 said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

                            @neverdie this looks pretty small for a buzzer already. Sorry no idea about smaller ones, but please post your results I'm interested :)

                            Received it today. Putting just DC across it produces no sound at all. Driving it with a pulsed voltage (say 10K hertz at 50% duty cycle) directly from an arduino pin produces sound, but at very low volume. Since it draws 220ma with a straight 3v DC voltage across it, I'm guessing a current more like that is what it will take to get it to produce louder sound, but that's only just a wild guess.

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                              @nca78 said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

                              @neverdie this looks pretty small for a buzzer already. Sorry no idea about smaller ones, but please post your results I'm interested :)

                              Received it today. Putting just DC across it produces no sound at all. Driving it with a pulsed voltage (say 10K hertz at 50% duty cycle) directly from an arduino pin produces sound, but at very low volume. Since it draws 220ma with a straight 3v DC voltage across it, I'm guessing a current more like that is what it will take to get it to produce louder sound, but that's only just a wild guess.

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                              I tried driving it from a load switch controlled by the arduino, and that helped increase the volume somewhat.

                              Doing that, and using this script, I think it will be audible if you're in the same room as it (and if the room is otherwise quiet).

                              long lastMicrosTime=0;  //timestamp in microseconds
                              
                              void setup() {
                                pinMode(10,OUTPUT);
                              }
                              
                              void loop() {
                                for (int x=0;x<1000;x++) {
                                  digitalWrite(10,HIGH);
                                  lastMicrosTime=micros();
                                  while ((micros()-lastMicrosTime)<300) {} //wait until 300 microseconds have passed
                                  digitalWrite(10,LOW);
                                  while ((micros()-lastMicrosTime)<x) {} //wait until another x microseconds have passed
                                }
                              }
                              

                              So, if you were to use it as a locator beacon attached to something you wanted to find, it might be good enough for that.

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                              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                I tried driving it from a load switch controlled by the arduino, and that helped increase the volume somewhat.

                                Doing that, and using this script, I think it will be audible if you're in the same room as it (and if the room is otherwise quiet).

                                long lastMicrosTime=0;  //timestamp in microseconds
                                
                                void setup() {
                                  pinMode(10,OUTPUT);
                                }
                                
                                void loop() {
                                  for (int x=0;x<1000;x++) {
                                    digitalWrite(10,HIGH);
                                    lastMicrosTime=micros();
                                    while ((micros()-lastMicrosTime)<300) {} //wait until 300 microseconds have passed
                                    digitalWrite(10,LOW);
                                    while ((micros()-lastMicrosTime)<x) {} //wait until another x microseconds have passed
                                  }
                                }
                                

                                So, if you were to use it as a locator beacon attached to something you wanted to find, it might be good enough for that.

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                                @neverdie said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

                                Doing that, and using this script, I think it will be audible if you're in the same room as it (and if the room is otherwise quiet).

                                Guess this is not made for Vietnam then :D
                                I supposed this type of buzzer is made more for user feedback for things like touch sensors, than for raising alert.

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                                  @neverdie said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

                                  Doing that, and using this script, I think it will be audible if you're in the same room as it (and if the room is otherwise quiet).

                                  Guess this is not made for Vietnam then :D
                                  I supposed this type of buzzer is made more for user feedback for things like touch sensors, than for raising alert.

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                                  @nca78 What strange is that if I cup my hand over it, it actually becomes louder. Not sure what's up with that. So, maybe I'm just not driving it right.

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                                    Here's the latest version of the PIR sensor embodiment:
                                    0_1514738791273_compactPIR.jpg
                                    It runs from two CR2032's.

                                    Very compact! :)

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                                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                      Here's the latest version of the PIR sensor embodiment:
                                      0_1514738791273_compactPIR.jpg
                                      It runs from two CR2032's.

                                      Very compact! :)

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                                      @neverdie how do you connect thr two Cr batteries ?

                                      Another question ? I read in another comments that you need 100-200 uF capacitor so that the radio can work since thr CR battery wont be strong enough. Did you add this ?

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                                        @neverdie how do you connect thr two Cr batteries ?

                                        Another question ? I read in another comments that you need 100-200 uF capacitor so that the radio can work since thr CR battery wont be strong enough. Did you add this ?

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                                        @ahmedadelhosni said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

                                        how do you connect thr two Cr batteries ?

                                        This was recently discussed in the Bluetooth action! thread.

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                                        • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                          @nca78 What strange is that if I cup my hand over it, it actually becomes louder. Not sure what's up with that. So, maybe I'm just not driving it right.

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                                          @neverdie said in 💬 Multi-Sensor: Temp/Humidity/PIR/ Leak/Magnet/Light/Accel:

                                          @nca78 What strange is that if I cup my hand over it, it actually becomes louder. Not sure what's up with that. So, maybe I'm just not driving it right.

                                          Isn't that the principle for most speakers, using a sound box ?

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