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Recommendation for 12V battery power

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  • tbowmoT Offline
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    wrote on last edited by tbowmo
    #2

    how mobile would you like it to be? :)

    What about a car battery? it's 12V, so no need for boosters..

    (the 12V will vary a bit between around 14V for a fully charged, down to 10-11V for a discharged battery..)

    or even use a 12V lithium-ion pack directly?

    http://www.powertechsystems.eu/home/products/12v-lithium-battery-pack-powerbrick/100ah-12v-lithium-ion-battery-pack-powerbrick/

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    • tbowmoT tbowmo

      how mobile would you like it to be? :)

      What about a car battery? it's 12V, so no need for boosters..

      (the 12V will vary a bit between around 14V for a fully charged, down to 10-11V for a discharged battery..)

      or even use a 12V lithium-ion pack directly?

      http://www.powertechsystems.eu/home/products/12v-lithium-battery-pack-powerbrick/100ah-12v-lithium-ion-battery-pack-powerbrick/

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      mfalkvidd
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      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      @tbowmo that's a good idea. A 12V motorbike battery with 1.2Ah capacity weights 600g which is a bit heavy, but manageable. Example at biltema, 12USD.

      I would get more capacity and lower weight with 3x 18650 li-ion though.

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        wrote on last edited by Nca78
        #4

        Hello, I would use 18650 too. But only two of them with good capacity so you only use a step-up (I use the one you reference to power a 12V bluetooth speaker from a 5V AC/DC power source with no problem so far).
        You can carry one or two sets as backup and they will only weight a fraction of the motorbike battery.
        Chargers charging two 18650 at a time are also easily available, cheap and lightweight.

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          #5

          LeadAcid batteries in cars/motorcycles are no good, since they are designed as starter-batteries and can't withstand deepcycle.
          The basically gets worn out too quickly. Instead you can use "fork lift" batteries, those are designed to supply energy to an motor and they are deepcycle batteries
          http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question219.htm
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_cycle_battery

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          • bjacobseB bjacobse

            LeadAcid batteries in cars/motorcycles are no good, since they are designed as starter-batteries and can't withstand deepcycle.
            The basically gets worn out too quickly. Instead you can use "fork lift" batteries, those are designed to supply energy to an motor and they are deepcycle batteries
            http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question219.htm
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_cycle_battery

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            @bjacobse Good point. Truck batteries sounds heavy though :) are they?

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            • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

              @bjacobse Good point. Truck batteries sounds heavy though :) are they?

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              @mfalkvidd
              Sorry my interpretetion error, when I wrote "truck" I actually meant a forklift

              https://www.google.dk/search?q=gaffeltruck&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidh-L0yZDOAhViDsAKHVJkA5kQ_AUICCgB&biw=1920&bih=955#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=el+gaffeltruck

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              • bjacobseB bjacobse

                @mfalkvidd
                Sorry my interpretetion error, when I wrote "truck" I actually meant a forklift

                https://www.google.dk/search?q=gaffeltruck&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidh-L0yZDOAhViDsAKHVJkA5kQ_AUICCgB&biw=1920&bih=955#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=el+gaffeltruck

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                @bjacobse ok. Thanks :)

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                • C Offline
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                  #9

                  What about using the battery packs used in cordless drills / power tools like the De Walt 18V packs or Ryobi One systems?

                  Find a damaged drill and cut the base off to re use the socet, or just solder direct to the terminals and use a charge module to charge it up. You can buy the batteries separately too.

                  They are lightweight, have a good charge storage and are pretty rugged, so put up with a bit of pounding.

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                    wrote on last edited by ceech
                    #10

                    The charger can be something like this one:
                    http://www.ebay.com/itm/LM2596-DC-DC-Step-down-Adjustable-CC-CV-Power-Supply-Module-Converter-LED-driver-/191673918658?hash=item2ca0a7e4c2:g:4H4AAOSwMmBVo4rQ

                    It has a buck converter with constant current and constant voltage settings which is what batteries need. It can charge any kind of battery with proper float voltage and current settings. If you would go with 4 lithium cells in series you can use the same module to charge the batteries and use it to drive LEDs. Multiple cell lithium batteries normally also need a balancing circuit. Not absolutely necessary, although recommended.

                    Here is a link to a video on driving LEDs with this converter:
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piET0Biqo0I

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                    • C ceech

                      The charger can be something like this one:
                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/LM2596-DC-DC-Step-down-Adjustable-CC-CV-Power-Supply-Module-Converter-LED-driver-/191673918658?hash=item2ca0a7e4c2:g:4H4AAOSwMmBVo4rQ

                      It has a buck converter with constant current and constant voltage settings which is what batteries need. It can charge any kind of battery with proper float voltage and current settings. If you would go with 4 lithium cells in series you can use the same module to charge the batteries and use it to drive LEDs. Multiple cell lithium batteries normally also need a balancing circuit. Not absolutely necessary, although recommended.

                      Here is a link to a video on driving LEDs with this converter:
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piET0Biqo0I

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                      @ceech very nice! thanks!

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                        Great thread.

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