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  • scalzS Offline
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    #60

    @NeverDie
    :open_mouth: not cool
    I hope your 2477 will work well ;)
    my little xp about coincells showed me that i can't trust ali coincells.. well i tried only few orders, but those wasted my time searching for bugs whereas batt were discharged and didn't check this in first place as i was using fresh ali coincells. I was thinking it couldn't be that! Then i checked their voltage in case...and was surprised!
    Changing for good and strong coincell was day&night.

    if it can help you to not run in dumb issue, for future :)

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    • scalzS scalz

      @NeverDie
      :open_mouth: not cool
      I hope your 2477 will work well ;)
      my little xp about coincells showed me that i can't trust ali coincells.. well i tried only few orders, but those wasted my time searching for bugs whereas batt were discharged and didn't check this in first place as i was using fresh ali coincells. I was thinking it couldn't be that! Then i checked their voltage in case...and was surprised!
      Changing for good and strong coincell was day&night.

      if it can help you to not run in dumb issue, for future :)

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      @scalz said:

      @NeverDie
      :open_mouth: not cool
      I hope your 2477 will work well ;)
      my little xp about coincells showed me that i can't trust ali coincells.. well i tried only few orders, but those wasted my time searching for bugs whereas batt were discharged and didn't check this in first place as i was using fresh ali coincells. I was thinking it couldn't be that! Then i checked their voltage in case...and was surprised!
      Changing for good and strong coincell was day&night.

      if it can help you to not run in dumb issue, for future :)

      Urban Dictionary: "get shanghaied"
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      Top Definition. get shanghaied. verb, ditransitive, passive (with to Be or to Get). to be swindled, cheated, lied to, robbed, stolen from, duped, conned, deceived.

      Not sure what I'll do with the "non-tabbed" batteries. Shipping costs between the US and China are asymmetric, and it would probably cost me more in time and money to ship them back with tracking to the seller than I would get in a refund. Oh well, I guess I'll be buying batteries from Digikey in the future. It will cost twice as much, but at least I'll get the real thing.

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        @NeverDie
        ahah, this one is funny :)

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        • NeverDieN Offline
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          #63

          I just now ordered this CR2460 battery from Digikey: http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=212190252&uq=636150784616350020
          alt text
          It's a bit thinner and should have a better chance of fitting inside the OP case.

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          • NeverDieN NeverDie

            I just now ordered this CR2460 battery from Digikey: http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=212190252&uq=636150784616350020
            alt text
            It's a bit thinner and should have a better chance of fitting inside the OP case.

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            Epilogue: I get a call from Digikey to tell me that they can't ship the button cells by first class mail because they contain lithium. Mind you, I only ordered 3 of them. Instead, they can only be shipped by either UPS ground or FedEx ground, both of which will cost me about $10 for the shipping alone. :grimacing: Yet, USPS apparently had no trouble delivering the CR2477 button cells from China using ePacket delivery. Argh, it's all just ridiculous!

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            • NeverDieN NeverDie

              Epilogue: I get a call from Digikey to tell me that they can't ship the button cells by first class mail because they contain lithium. Mind you, I only ordered 3 of them. Instead, they can only be shipped by either UPS ground or FedEx ground, both of which will cost me about $10 for the shipping alone. :grimacing: Yet, USPS apparently had no trouble delivering the CR2477 button cells from China using ePacket delivery. Argh, it's all just ridiculous!

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              @NeverDie no, USPS are not ok with that. http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c6_004.htm#ep270347

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              • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                @NeverDie no, USPS are not ok with that. http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c6_004.htm#ep270347

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                @mfalkvidd said:

                @NeverDie no, USPS are not ok with that. http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c6_004.htm#ep270347

                Not that it matters, but I wonder why is it acceptable for lithium batteries to be shipped installed in equipment, but unacceptable if not installed?

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                • NeverDieN NeverDie

                  @mfalkvidd said:

                  @NeverDie no, USPS are not ok with that. http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c6_004.htm#ep270347

                  Not that it matters, but I wonder why is it acceptable for lithium batteries to be shipped installed in equipment, but unacceptable if not installed?

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                  #67

                  @NeverDie my guess is that the rulemakers took a pragmatic approach. Banning batteries in equipment might have been too hard, which could have brought down the entire proposition. So they opted for rules that are less safe than total ban, but more safe than no rules at all.

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                  • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                    @NeverDie my guess is that the rulemakers took a pragmatic approach. Banning batteries in equipment might have been too hard, which could have brought down the entire proposition. So they opted for rules that are less safe than total ban, but more safe than no rules at all.

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                    My two cents :D

                    Batteries inside equipments are protected from shock by said equipment, shocks/bending beeing one of the main reasons for battery fires.

                    It could also be related to the "density" of batteries. Having one battery burning inside an equipment will slow down the propagation of the fire and is relatively easy to deal with a fire estinguisher.
                    Having a fire in one battery that will propagate to other batteries shipped together is a nightmare.

                    But I'm surprised they apply this rule (that I thought were made to deal big rechargeable batteries) to a bunch of button cells

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                      LOL. This is the ultimate catch-22: I can't mail the falsely advertised batteries back to China, even if I wanted to! The only way to do it would be to first install them in some equipment and then ship the equipment, but then they would be used batteries and no longer new, so the seller could refuse a refund on those grounds. Since returning them is impossible, maybe I can appeal to Ali Express for a refund without returning them. This is becoming entertaining.... A refund from Ali Express would almost cover the cost of shipping from Digikey.

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                        #70

                        They sent the wrong stuff. Opening a "case" will most probably get your money back.

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                          I just received the white version and it's gorgeous ! Ordering bunch now to put everywhere in the house :D 0_1480503727105_IMAG1095_1.jpg

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                            I just received the white version and it's gorgeous ! Ordering bunch now to put everywhere in the house :D 0_1480503727105_IMAG1095_1.jpg

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                            @Nca78
                            Would you please post a link for the white ones? All I recall ever finding were the black ones.

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                              Link is here but unfortunately it says "no more available" :(

                              https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Factory-price-Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-iPhone-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S4-S5-Note3-for-Nexus/32637381497.html

                              Found some here at 3€ :
                              https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-iPhone-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-S4-Note2-Nexus-All-free-shipping/32735986077.html

                              and here 3€38
                              https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Fast-Charge-Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-Samsung-S4-S5-Note3-Cell-Phone-Accessories/32669922722.html

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                                And same seller has one it seems, at 2€78, but only interesting if you buy 1 item to get free shipping, else the one at 3€ is cheaper as there's no limit in item count for free shipping option

                                https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Best-Price-Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-iPhone-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-S4-Note2-for-Nexus/32647646301.html

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                                  @NeverDie I found a good way to open them without any damages.
                                  I have that cheap DIP chip extractor that's very bad at doing it's job, but it happens that it's the perfect size to fit in the vents at the bottom, if you put it inward and pull you can pop up the bottom cover easily.

                                  I bought 10 white chargers from the "woweinew" shop for 30$ with China Post Registered Air Mail included after a few seconds of negociations.

                                  I also found some SMD 7021 breakouts with only minimum components onboard, they are a bit more expensive but save some space in PCB surface and thickness. And no need to waste time removing and shorting the voltage regulator.
                                  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Industrial-High-Precision-Si7021-Humidity-Sensor-with-I2C-Interface-for-Arduino/32524005324.html

                                  0_1480926902551_IMAG1103.jpg
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                                    Just FYI: it turns out you have to avoid exposing the si7021 sensor to high humidity (>80%) unless you turn its buiilt-in heater on--which, unfortunately, will drain a battery rather quickly. It's in the datasheet, but not as prominently as it should be. Therefore, going forward, I'm switching to the BME280, which costs more but appears not to have this issue. I do have some si7021's, but I think I'll probably only trust the temperature reading and consider the humidity reading as a rough gauge only.

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                                      Link is here but unfortunately it says "no more available" :(

                                      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Factory-price-Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-iPhone-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S4-S5-Note3-for-Nexus/32637381497.html

                                      Found some here at 3€ :
                                      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-iPhone-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-S4-Note2-Nexus-All-free-shipping/32735986077.html

                                      and here 3€38
                                      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Fast-Charge-Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-Samsung-S4-S5-Note3-Cell-Phone-Accessories/32669922722.html

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                                      @Nca78 said:

                                      Link is here but unfortunately it says "no more available" :(

                                      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Factory-price-Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-iPhone-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S4-S5-Note3-for-Nexus/32637381497.html

                                      Found some here at 3€ :
                                      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-iPhone-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-S4-Note2-Nexus-All-free-shipping/32735986077.html

                                      and here 3€38
                                      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Fast-Charge-Qi-Wireless-Newest-Charger-for-Samsung-S4-S5-Note3-Cell-Phone-Accessories/32669922722.html

                                      The first link has them back in stock. I just now ordered one from them.

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                                      • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                        Just FYI: it turns out you have to avoid exposing the si7021 sensor to high humidity (>80%) unless you turn its buiilt-in heater on--which, unfortunately, will drain a battery rather quickly. It's in the datasheet, but not as prominently as it should be. Therefore, going forward, I'm switching to the BME280, which costs more but appears not to have this issue. I do have some si7021's, but I think I'll probably only trust the temperature reading and consider the humidity reading as a rough gauge only.

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                                        @NeverDie said:

                                        Just FYI: it turns out you have to avoid exposing the si7021 sensor to high humidity (>80%) unless you turn its buiilt-in heater on--which, unfortunately, will drain a battery rather quickly. It's in the datasheet, but not as prominently as it should be. Therefore, going forward, I'm switching to the BME280, which costs more but appears not to have this issue. I do have some si7021's, but I think I'll probably only trust the temperature reading and consider the humidity reading as a rough gauge only.

                                        Yes I have seen that but I wonder how much the "drift" really is. As long as the temperature is still precise (and it is from my observations) a drift in humidity measurement is acceptable, as long as it can still reflect changes. I've also ordered BME280 (6 pins version with no voltage regulator) from 2 different suppliers anyway, so I will be able to compare sensors side by side with every other part coming from the same batches.

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                                          Great. I'd be interested to hear of any conclusions you might reach from whatever comparisons you're able to perform.

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