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  • hekH hek

    @marceltrapman
    @axillent

    We have very few device-types today and I think "fan" is a good candidate actually.

    (for Vera we might use a dimmer to represent fan but other controllers they might want to show some other symbol etc.)

    On variable-ids we should probably be a bit more restrictive (now). But for the next version of the OTA protocol we could perhaps consider having a separate set of variables per sensor type. Then this is a no-issue as we will get 255 possible variable-types per sensor-type.

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    BulldogLowell
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    @hek

    I like the fan idea. an everyday item that is in a lot of homes.

    Here in the US we see mainly 3 speed fans. It would be great to see a four button interface, OFF, LOW, MED, HI

    I have never even looked into developing a 'device' on vera; would that be too hard?

    We could develop a capacitor speed control board, like what you all did for the RGBW lights, no?

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      Creating a new device type on Vera is not that hard, just a few config files.

      But finding a standard set of speeds for a fan is harder. There might be all kinds of configurations here. Maybe a dimmer-slider is the best way to handle this and the sketch has to translate it into the local-attached fans step-levels. So in your example setting fan-slider to just above 50% represents MED-speed on fan.

      Then we're back to the Dimmer device with a custom icon :smile:

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      • hekH hek

        Creating a new device type on Vera is not that hard, just a few config files.

        But finding a standard set of speeds for a fan is harder. There might be all kinds of configurations here. Maybe a dimmer-slider is the best way to handle this and the sketch has to translate it into the local-attached fans step-levels. So in your example setting fan-slider to just above 50% represents MED-speed on fan.

        Then we're back to the Dimmer device with a custom icon :smile:

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        @hek said:

        Creating a new device type on Vera is not that hard, just a few config files.

        But finding a standard set of speeds for a fan is harder. There might be all kinds of configurations here. Maybe a dimmer-slider is the best way to handle this and the sketch has to translate it into the local-attached fans step-levels. So in your example setting fan-slider to just above 50% represents MED-speed on fan.

        Then we're back to the Dimmer device with a custom icon :smile:

        Right then, that works for me.

        anything that works, works! I have a few fans I want to Arduino-ize. :wink:

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        • BulldogLowellB BulldogLowell

          @hek

          I like the fan idea. an everyday item that is in a lot of homes.

          Here in the US we see mainly 3 speed fans. It would be great to see a four button interface, OFF, LOW, MED, HI

          I have never even looked into developing a 'device' on vera; would that be too hard?

          We could develop a capacitor speed control board, like what you all did for the RGBW lights, no?

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          @BulldogLowell you can use regular dim controll to control fans with just a few speeds
          I use so with my kitchen fan which is drived automatically depending on the oven power consumption
          my fan has 3 speeds (and off position), so I use 3 SSR to manage one of the 3 speeds and I'm using dim on vera side
          whatever value i will select on dim my device will approximate it into one of 4 positions and will return a new value back to vera
          this behaves very well

          sense and drive

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          • axillentA axillent

            @BulldogLowell you can use regular dim controll to control fans with just a few speeds
            I use so with my kitchen fan which is drived automatically depending on the oven power consumption
            my fan has 3 speeds (and off position), so I use 3 SSR to manage one of the 3 speeds and I'm using dim on vera side
            whatever value i will select on dim my device will approximate it into one of 4 positions and will return a new value back to vera
            this behaves very well

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            @axillent

            hmmm... you are controlling with arduino?

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            • BulldogLowellB BulldogLowell

              @axillent

              hmmm... you are controlling with arduino?

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              @BulldogLowell i have build a few devices based on MySensors project and they are doing their job for a few months already

              sense and drive

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              • axillentA axillent

                @BulldogLowell i have build a few devices based on MySensors project and they are doing their job for a few months already

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                @axillent

                great, did you post them already?

                I'd like to start a fan project.

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                  #15

                  While thinking about this. There are these 5 generic variables. But are there any generic sensors?

                  Imho the 'ARDUINO_NODE' and 'ARDUINO_RELAY' are boards and not sensors so they can't be used for that.

                  Shouldn't we have something like 'BINARY' and maybe 'VARIABLE'.

                  I know that Indigo uses generic naming for z-wave devices that they do not recognise but here we are in a different play field, creating our own sensors.

                  Or am I missing something here?

                  Fulltime Servoy Developer
                  Parttime Moderator MySensors board

                  I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
                  I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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                  • marceltrapmanM marceltrapman

                    While thinking about this. There are these 5 generic variables. But are there any generic sensors?

                    Imho the 'ARDUINO_NODE' and 'ARDUINO_RELAY' are boards and not sensors so they can't be used for that.

                    Shouldn't we have something like 'BINARY' and maybe 'VARIABLE'.

                    I know that Indigo uses generic naming for z-wave devices that they do not recognise but here we are in a different play field, creating our own sensors.

                    Or am I missing something here?

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                    @marceltrapman

                    Vera also got some generic device it shows for unrecognized or missing device files. Let me think about it... GENERIC might be good to add to the device list to match the VAR1-5.

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                      'GENERIC' would do too I guess because the var1-5 values can be used for binary as well as any other value obviously.

                      Fulltime Servoy Developer
                      Parttime Moderator MySensors board

                      I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
                      I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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                      • marceltrapmanM marceltrapman

                        'GENERIC' would do too I guess because the var1-5 values can be used for binary as well as any other value obviously.

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                        #18

                        @marceltrapman

                        Ahh.. ok, now I understand what you mean.. You need to transfer binary data to the controller? I have added a flag in the message-structure for this... but it has not been implemented fully (the serial protocol should produce base64 encoded output for payload or similar when this flag is set).

                        And Vera controller does not consider this flag.

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                        • marceltrapmanM marceltrapman

                          'GENERIC' would do too I guess because the var1-5 values can be used for binary as well as any other value obviously.

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                          @marceltrapman are you looking for binary transfer between node and vera or between two nodes?
                          i would like to see an application which requires binary transfer with vera. Currently do not see it

                          for node to node it is good to have an ability to transfer any kind of custom data including binary.
                          in my view it can be very useful to define own custom struct and transfer it between nodes

                          sense and drive

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                          • axillentA axillent

                            @marceltrapman are you looking for binary transfer between node and vera or between two nodes?
                            i would like to see an application which requires binary transfer with vera. Currently do not see it

                            for node to node it is good to have an ability to transfer any kind of custom data including binary.
                            in my view it can be very useful to define own custom struct and transfer it between nodes

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                            @axillent

                            Marcel is developing a MySensor plugin for the indigo controller .
                            http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/62/plugin-for-indigo-for-mac

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