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Help: Some explanation requested regarding NACK

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    Omemanti
    wrote on last edited by Omemanti
    #1

    Hello,

    I'm a bit confused.

    I got the following scenarios inside my network.

    First thing I found: NACK:50.6 (aswell as 2 mssg with OK) on my node, but my gateway tells me: "sure, I see it, cool bananas!"

    Node:

    TSF:MSG:SEND,1-1-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=3,st=OK:88
TSF:MSG:SEND,1-1-0-0,s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:20.5
!TSF:MSG:SEND,1-1-0-0,s=0,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=NACK:50.6

    Gateway:

    0;255;3;0;9;TSP:MSG:READ 1-1-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:88
0;255;3;0;9;TSP:MSG:READ 1-1-0 s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0:20.5
0;255;3;0;9;TSP:MSG:READ 1-1-0 s=0,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0:50.6

    A minute later I get the following:
    The Node tells me NACK:100 , NACK:50.3 and OK:20.5
    But my gateway now says, well srry buddy, the OK:20.5 didnt arrive.

    So only the OK mssg didnt come through.

    Node:

    !TSF:MSG:SEND,1-1-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=1,st=NACK:100
TSF:MSG:SEND,1-1-0-0,s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=2,st=OK:20.5
!TSF:MSG:SEND,1-1-0-0,s=0,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=NACK:50.3

    Gateway:

    0;255;3;0;9;TSP:MSG:READ 1-1-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:100
0;255;3;0;9;TSP:MSG:READ 1-1-0 s=0,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0:50.3

    Both have a RFM69.
    Gateway on ESP8266 -> 2.0.0 (2.1.0/2.1.1 made it reboot)
    node -> ms 2.1.0

    What should be my best guess? The gateway got trouble receiving or the node messes up the sending/receiving part?

    Thnx!

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      gohan
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      Did you try to put them just a couple of meters away from each other? Just to exclude any range problem.

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        Omemanti
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        @gohan said in Help: Some explanation requested regarding NACK:

        d you try to put them just a couple of meters away from each other? Just to exclud

        how much should you advice? atm, its 3 meters.

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          gohan
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          1-2 meters is the right distance to exclude range problem. Then also power issues could cause messages to be lost.

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            Omemanti
            wrote on last edited by
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            oke,
            well will look into the lost mssg.
            But my biggest question might be, why the node thinks they are NACK, but my gate tells me their fine?

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            • O Omemanti

              oke,
              well will look into the lost mssg.
              But my biggest question might be, why the node thinks they are NACK, but my gate tells me their fine?

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              @Omemanti said in Help: Some explanation requested regarding NACK:

              but my

              Could you post part of the code where you send those messages? do you send the node to sleep?

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              • O Omemanti

                oke,
                well will look into the lost mssg.
                But my biggest question might be, why the node thinks they are NACK, but my gate tells me their fine?

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                gohan
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                @Omemanti Because the node can't receive the ack message so it assumes it's lost: could the the gateway didn't receive it or the node itself couldn't receive the ack from gateway. It could me many reasons, so you need to address it one by one until you find it 😀

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                  Omemanti
                  wrote on last edited by
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                  @gohan said in Help: Some explanation requested regarding NACK:

                  the node can't receive the ack message so it assumes it's lost: could the the gateway did

                  mjah, ofcourse,
                  Well I'll build me some more of these, see If the same things happen with some other nodes.

                  thnx for the help so far!

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                    Omemanti
                    wrote on last edited by Omemanti
                    #9

                    After some time off I made more nodes. but somehow they all give me NACK's. (also changed the gateway, antennas and added more caps.)

                    The strange thing still is that even if I get NACK's the gateway seems the handle them..

                    Should I just accept this? Or am I missing something?

                    MYSController :

                    291	27/07/2017 22:46:03	RX	15 - Zolder	0 - S_HUM	C_SET	NO	V_HUM	49.1
292	27/07/2017 22:46:09	RX	15 - Zolder	1 - S_TEMP	C_SET	NO	V_TEMP	25.5
293	27/07/2017 22:46:09	RX	15 - Zolder	0 - S_HUM	C_SET	NO	V_HUM	49.2
294	27/07/2017 22:46:16	RX	15 - Zolder	1 - S_TEMP	C_SET	NO	V_TEMP	25.5
295	27/07/2017 22:46:16	RX	15 - Zolder	0 - S_HUM	C_SET	NO	V_HUM	49.2
296	27/07/2017 22:46:23	RX	15 - Zolder	1 - S_TEMP	C_SET	NO	V_TEMP	25.5
297	27/07/2017 22:46:23	RX	15 - Zolder	0 - S_HUM	C_SET	NO	V_HUM	49.2

                    Serial Monitor

                    227573 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=0,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=5,st=NACK:49.1
227655 !TSM:READY:UPL FAIL,STATP
227885 MCO:SLP:MS=5000,SMS=0,I1=255,M1=255,I2=255,M2=255
227950 MCO:SLP:TPD
227966 MCO:SLP:WUP=-1
227999
Loop
228524 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=NACK:25.5
228982 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=0,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=1,st=NACK:49.2
229294 MCO:SLP:MS=5000,SMS=0,I1=255,M1=255,I2=255,M2=255
229359 MCO:SLP:TPD
229376 MCO:SLP:WUP=-1
229408
Loop
229933 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=2,st=NACK:25.5
230391 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=0,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=3,st=NACK:49.2
230703 MCO:SLP:MS=5000,SMS=0,I1=255,M1=255,I2=255,M2=255
230768 MCO:SLP:TPD
230785 MCO:SLP:WUP=-1
230817
Loop
231342 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=4,st=NACK:25.5
231800 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=0,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=5,st=NACK:49.2
231882 !TSM:READY:UPL FAIL,STATP
232112 MCO:SLP:MS=5000,SMS=0,I1=255,M1=255,I2=255,M2=255
232177 MCO:SLP:TPD

                    I should add that booting up takes a couple of tries, but after a minute of the folling it pulls through and starts the previous shenanigans.

                    32 TSM:INIT
49 TSF:WUR:MS=0
81 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
98 TSM:INIT:STATID=15
131 TSF:SID:OK,ID=15
147 TSM:FPAR
163 TSM:FPAR:STATP=0
196 TSM:ID
212 TSM:ID:OK
229 TSM:UPL
393 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=NACK:1
2490 TSM:UPL
2654 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=1,st=NACK:1
4751 TSM:UPL
4915 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=2,st=NACK:1
7012 TSM:UPL
7176 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=3,st=NACK:1
9273 !TSM:UPL:FAIL
9289 TSM:FPAR
9306 TSM:FPAR:STATP=0
9338 TSM:ID
9338 TSM:ID:OK
9371 TSM:UPL


64274 TSM:ID
64290 TSM:ID:OK
64307 TSM:UPL
64487 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=12,st=NACK:1
66584 TSM:UPL
66748 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=13,st=NACK:1
66846 TSF:MSG:READ,0-0-15,s=255,c=3,t=25,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
66912 TSF:MSG:PONG RECV,HP=1
66945 TSM:UPL:OK
66961 TSM:READY:ID=15,PAR=0,DIS=1
67158 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=NACK:0100
69402 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=5,sg=0,ft=1,st=NACK:2.1.1
69648 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=2,st=NACK:0
69746 TSF:MSG:READ,0-0-15,s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=0,l=1,sg=0:M
70172 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=6,sg=0,ft=3,st=NACK:Zolder
70418 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,ft=4,st=NACK:1.0
70860 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=0,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=5,st=NACK:
70942 !TSM:READY:UPL FAIL,STATP
71286 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=1,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=NACK:
71712 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=2,c=0,t=4,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=1,st=NACK:
71811 MCO:REG:REQ
71974 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=26,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=2,st=NACK:2
74219 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=26,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=3,st=NACK:2
76464 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=26,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=4,st=NACK:2
78708 !TSF:MSG:SEND,15-15-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=26,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=5,st=NACK:2
78790 !TSM:READY:UPL FAIL,STATP
80805 MCO:BGN:STP
Si7021 Found
Setup compleet
80969 MCO:BGN:INIT OK,TSP=1
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                      it seems as the node can't receive correctly or the gw is not sending correctly. How far are they? If you put them a couple of meters apart do you see any change?

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                        @gohan said in Help: Some explanation requested regarding NACK:

                        f meters apart do you see any change?

                        The node gateway is in the room below me (wooden floors) about 2 to 3 meters from my node.

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                          Funny Part still is, that once the connection is made, everything also if produced with a NACK is received by the controller. thats what im curious about. If I get errors, why does the controllers receive them without bottering.

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                            As I said, the GW is receiving the packet correctly but then the node doesn't get a good response so it throws a NACK. You could try and put them in same room and see if gets better or change channel just to avoid a possible interference

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                              How can I change the channel? Can you point me in the right direction.?

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                                Go in myconfig.h and search for "channel", you should find it in the nrf24 section, change the default channel there and recompile all your nodes and gateway

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                                  Stupid question.. because I use the rfm69. Will the also comply?

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                                    Of course not. What version of rfm69 and frequency are you using? Are you sure you got the antenna of the right size?

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                                      #18

                                      Rfm69w 868mhz , springcoil antenna from ebay.
                                      will test a long single wire right away.

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                                        Springcoil on the gw, straight line on the node, still the same

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                                          Thnx for the help so far, Ill let it rest for a while, Im thinking of rebuilding the whole thing..

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