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Which are trustworthy brands for a simple USB wall charger?

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  • NeverDieN Offline
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    @sundberg84 said in Which are trustworthy brands for a simple USB wall charger?:

    it was considered safe so far with the chargers (13 fires / year) verses stove fires (1500+/year)

    I suppose one could monitor the temperature of the charger since, after all, it would be used to power a sensor node anyway. Maybe that would give some advance warning if things are heading badly before it goes catastrophic?

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    • R Offline
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      Seems like this is offtopic, but there are good meanwell power supplies designed to run 24x7, like this:

      http://www.meanwell.com/webapp/product/search.aspx?prod=DR-15 (MTBF 1.1M hours)

      Or even something like this:
      http://www.meanwell.com/webapp/product/search.aspx?prod=PM-05 (MTBF 1.5M hours) and so on

      I used long time this NFM-05-5 power supplies, very good, no problems at all:
      http://www.meanwell.com/webapp/product/search.aspx?prod=NFM-05

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      • R robosensor

        Seems like this is offtopic, but there are good meanwell power supplies designed to run 24x7, like this:

        http://www.meanwell.com/webapp/product/search.aspx?prod=DR-15 (MTBF 1.1M hours)

        Or even something like this:
        http://www.meanwell.com/webapp/product/search.aspx?prod=PM-05 (MTBF 1.5M hours) and so on

        I used long time this NFM-05-5 power supplies, very good, no problems at all:
        http://www.meanwell.com/webapp/product/search.aspx?prod=NFM-05

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        #14

        @robosensor nice, but not very handy as a wall charger.

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        • NeverDieN NeverDie

          @sundberg84 said in Which are trustworthy brands for a simple USB wall charger?:

          it was considered safe so far with the chargers (13 fires / year) verses stove fires (1500+/year)

          I suppose one could monitor the temperature of the charger since, after all, it would be used to power a sensor node anyway. Maybe that would give some advance warning if things are heading badly before it goes catastrophic?

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          wrote on last edited by sundberg84
          #15

          one could monitor the temperature

          @NeverDie - this is the exact approach I have in my In wall AC/DC nodes.
          https://www.openhardware.io/view/13/In-Wall-ACDC-Pcb-for-MySensors

          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
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          • NeverDieN Offline
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            If you've guys have never seen any of the videos from:
            https://www.youtube.com/user/bigclivedotcom/videos
            many of them are quite entertaining. I think he may have been a Scottish electrician or something. He routinely buys things from the pound shop, tears them down, and often shows them to be "deathtraps," especially for mains connected devices.

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            • gohanG Offline
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              #17

              most cheap stuff is potentially a death trap if it is mains powered :D

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              • NeverDieN Offline
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                Noticing now that at least some of them claim to offer various protections:
                alt text
                https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LED-Display-3-USB-Charger-ROCK-Universal-Mobile-Phone-USB-Charger-Fast-Charging-Wall-Charger-For/32832813133.html

                So, what would be the cheapest one but offering good protections?

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                • gohanG Offline
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                  I wonder how they achieve over charge protection :anguished:

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                  • NeverDieN Offline
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                    I guess the way to do it would be if someone credible like Dave Jones did a tear down and vetted a particular USB charger. Then get that make and model. Ignoring counterfeits, maybe then it would be deem-able as "safe."

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                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                      I guess the way to do it would be if someone credible like Dave Jones did a tear down and vetted a particular USB charger. Then get that make and model. Ignoring counterfeits, maybe then it would be deem-able as "safe."

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                      #21

                      When I need multiple ports, I use the IKEA chargers. Reasons:

                      • They are the cheapest per mA and port that I can buy locally
                      • They are a big brand with a reputation to protect
                      • bigclivedotcom has done a teardown and deemed it safe
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                      • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                        When I need multiple ports, I use the IKEA chargers. Reasons:

                        • They are the cheapest per mA and port that I can buy locally
                        • They are a big brand with a reputation to protect
                        • bigclivedotcom has done a teardown and deemed it safe
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                        #22

                        @mfalkvidd Good find! I also just now found a teardown by bigclive for the ~$1 usb wall chargers that I was thinking of getting:
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoGCdX1IdQ
                        and it has convinced me that it would have been a mistake. So, I guess around $7.50 or more is what it's going to take for a decent, safe quality usb charger. So, suddenly batteries start to look like a reasonable alternative, whereas before I wouldn't have thought so.

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                          #23

                          battery or wall charger it is a choice that depends on the kind of sensors you want to use :)

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                            If you didn't you can have a look there too, there are many tests of Ali / Ebay products:
                            http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/indexUSB UK.html

                            Go back to root of website if you are interested in battery tests, battery chargers or led drivers.

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                            • Nca78N Nca78

                              If you didn't you can have a look there too, there are many tests of Ali / Ebay products:
                              http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/indexUSB UK.html

                              Go back to root of website if you are interested in battery tests, battery chargers or led drivers.

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                              @Nca78 said in Which are trustworthy brands for a simple USB wall charger?:

                              If you didn't you can have a look there too, there are many tests of Ali / Ebay products:
                              http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/indexUSB UK.html

                              Go back to root of website if you are interested in battery tests, battery chargers or led drivers.

                              Wow! That's extensive. Is there a short-list somewhere for the best of what they tested? I want to jump ahead to the final recommendations and not read every review if I can avoid it.

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                              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                @Nca78 said in Which are trustworthy brands for a simple USB wall charger?:

                                If you didn't you can have a look there too, there are many tests of Ali / Ebay products:
                                http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/indexUSB UK.html

                                Go back to root of website if you are interested in battery tests, battery chargers or led drivers.

                                Wow! That's extensive. Is there a short-list somewhere for the best of what they tested? I want to jump ahead to the final recommendations and not read every review if I can avoid it.

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                                Aha! Nevermind, I think I found it: http://lygte-info.dk/info/ChargerIndex UK.html

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                                • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                  Aha! Nevermind, I think I found it: http://lygte-info.dk/info/ChargerIndex UK.html

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                                  I like how he tests them for noise level as well. Might as well pick one with low noise if possible.

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                                  • NeverDieN Offline
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                                    I think I'm starting to warm-up to this one:
                                    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NTONPOWER-US-Electrical-Plug-and-Socket-Wall-Mounted-3-Outlet-3-USB-Charging-Port-15W-with/32757740342.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.263.PgEo7J

                                    It's made by the same company that got a good review in the above list (although, maybe not, because Orico appears to have an identical one). However, the intangibles in its favor are:

                                    1. I get more wall plugs, not fewer for having plugged it in, and
                                    2. It has a minimalist shelf meant to hold a phone for charging, but it might just as well hold a sensor node or gateway, which would be convenient.
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                                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                      I think I'm starting to warm-up to this one:
                                      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NTONPOWER-US-Electrical-Plug-and-Socket-Wall-Mounted-3-Outlet-3-USB-Charging-Port-15W-with/32757740342.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.263.PgEo7J

                                      It's made by the same company that got a good review in the above list (although, maybe not, because Orico appears to have an identical one). However, the intangibles in its favor are:

                                      1. I get more wall plugs, not fewer for having plugged it in, and
                                      2. It has a minimalist shelf meant to hold a phone for charging, but it might just as well hold a sensor node or gateway, which would be convenient.
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                                      @NeverDie Was "starting to warm-up" an example of Texan humour, or accidental, given how this thread started off....?

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                                        I second the IKEA alternative for USB chargers. They are hard to beat as a huge company with focus both on cost and safety. And the lygte-info.dk is a great resource.

                                        Just remember that a USB charger is optimized to deliver 1-2 A for a couple of hours at a time. That is very different to providing 50 mA continously. I'm thinking of heat dissipation but also efficiency at low power. (So use the lygte-info.dk link to find a good one that performs well at the power you need.)

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                                          What a strange world we live in that Ikea has become the "go to" source for USB chargers....:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Not saying that I disagree, but it's just plain odd that we have to resort to that in order to get something trustworthy.

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