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Will a NRF24L01+PA+LNA help with my signal problems

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  • ThucarT Offline
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    Thucar
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    @Greymarvel for a gateway I would suggest using a shielded version of the NRF24L01+PA+LNA as well as this supply adapter

    I was having world of issues with my setup until I did that.

    Controller: Node-Red
    Gateway: SerialGateway & GSMMQTTGateway
    MySensors: 2.2.0

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    • ThucarT Thucar

      @Greymarvel for a gateway I would suggest using a shielded version of the NRF24L01+PA+LNA as well as this supply adapter

      I was having world of issues with my setup until I did that.

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      @thucar
      yeah I read somewhere that unshielded the NRF24L01+ was awful . The socket adapter you linked what is the benefit of using it ? Is it meant to replace the regulator and make a better connection for the radio ?

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        I has an onboard voltage reg as well as caps. So you do not need to use any additional hardware.

        Controller: Node-Red
        Gateway: SerialGateway & GSMMQTTGateway
        MySensors: 2.2.0

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        • ThucarT Thucar

          I has an onboard voltage reg as well as caps. So you do not need to use any additional hardware.

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          GreyLinux
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          @thucar
          that is brilliant I will be getting one of these anything to make life easier . Thanks for your help

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          • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

            @greymarvel no worries. There is a lot of information to take in :)
            Don't be afraid to ask more if things are unclear.

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            @mfalkvidd I need your advice regarding the radio's on my Arduino nodes . I've wired the power for the radio to vcc on the Arduino which is boosted by a 3.3v step up booster .
            I have a decoupling capacitor between the vcc and Gnd of the radio but I think my limited range is because of the noise from the booster . If I wire the power of the radio directly to the battery the radio fails completely as seen in the serial monitor . What are my options ?
            Should I used one of the adapters recommended by @Thucar on all my battery sensors ?

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              @mfalkvidd I need your advice regarding the radio's on my Arduino nodes . I've wired the power for the radio to vcc on the Arduino which is boosted by a 3.3v step up booster .
              I have a decoupling capacitor between the vcc and Gnd of the radio but I think my limited range is because of the noise from the booster . If I wire the power of the radio directly to the battery the radio fails completely as seen in the serial monitor . What are my options ?
              Should I used one of the adapters recommended by @Thucar on all my battery sensors ?

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              @greymarvel people here are using different solutions. My preferred way is to power the Arduino and the nrf24 directly by 2xAA, with a 4.7uF capacitor as close to the nrf24 as possible (between vcc and gnd). No step-up, no ldo.

              I like this solution because it involves very few components, which means less things that can go wrong and easier troubleshooting if something does go wrong.

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              • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                @greymarvel people here are using different solutions. My preferred way is to power the Arduino and the nrf24 directly by 2xAA, with a 4.7uF capacitor as close to the nrf24 as possible (between vcc and gnd). No step-up, no ldo.

                I like this solution because it involves very few components, which means less things that can go wrong and easier troubleshooting if something does go wrong.

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                @mfalkvidd
                is it possible for me to remove the booster if I've removed the regulator on the pro mini?
                How long do your sensors last without a booster ?
                Why do you think my radio's fail when I power them straight from the battery ? Cheap clones maybe ?

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                  @mfalkvidd
                  is it possible for me to remove the booster if I've removed the regulator on the pro mini?
                  How long do your sensors last without a booster ?
                  Why do you think my radio's fail when I power them straight from the battery ? Cheap clones maybe ?

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                  @greymarvel said in Will a NRF24L01+PA+LNA help with my signal problems:

                  @mfalkvidd
                  is it possible for me to remove the booster if I've removed the regulator on the pro mini?

                  Yes. See https://www.mysensors.org/build/battery for more information

                  How long do your sensors last without a booster ?

                  About 10 years

                  Why do you think my radio's fail when I power them straight from the battery ? Cheap clones maybe ?

                  It could be anything.

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                  • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                    @greymarvel said in Will a NRF24L01+PA+LNA help with my signal problems:

                    @mfalkvidd
                    is it possible for me to remove the booster if I've removed the regulator on the pro mini?

                    Yes. See https://www.mysensors.org/build/battery for more information

                    How long do your sensors last without a booster ?

                    About 10 years

                    Why do you think my radio's fail when I power them straight from the battery ? Cheap clones maybe ?

                    It could be anything.

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                    @mfalkvidd
                    you sir are amazing , I soldered the 47uF capacitor practically on the radio and now I'm getting about 10 metres before I get Nack=0 messages . Hopefully with the addition of the NRF24L01+PA+LNA on the gateway I should be able to cover all of the property.

                    Thank you so much again for your help .

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                      @Greymarvel for me that 47uF cap is essential whenever I'm not using the full adapter I suggested for your gateway.

                      I'm getting over 30 meters through two 35cm concrete walls and some trees with the following setup: Gateway with a shielded nRF24L01-PA-LNA (not DIY foil shielded, but proper shielded one) and the forementioned adapter.

                      Solar + battery powered sensor with the basic nRF24L01 (PCB antenna) the only booster is that 47uF cap on the radio power pins.

                      Controller: Node-Red
                      Gateway: SerialGateway & GSMMQTTGateway
                      MySensors: 2.2.0

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                        Hi to @Greymarvel .Well i already seen this movie before. I bought diferent nrf24 nodes,amplifed ,not amplified,with or without capacitors. In fact i had worst redults with amp nodes. I just change to rfm69hw and w
                        . No more low power/high power...etc. now i got my 4000m2 terrain covered (around 80m long).
                        I didn't check max range but i never had lost a packet again. I was a very good increment on my network stability.
                        That fake nrf24 chips are crazy and unstable and yes,all ebay cheap nodes are fake second i know.

                        i'm a arduino fan .Even sometimes don't undestanding how to use it :P

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