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  • tbowmoT Offline
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    tbowmo
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    wrote on last edited by tbowmo
    #100

    A small update here, on an even larger update on the gateway device.

    After some considerations, I have decided to switch the MCU for the GW to an atmel SAM D21G, instead of atmega1284. While doing this I have reduced the BOM for the GW, and cut about 1/3 of the BOM price.

    The D21G is the same chip that's on the new arduino zero, and also on a kickstarter project called neutrino. @blacey is the one who pointed me in that direction :)

    While being a more powerful chip (256kb flash, 32kb ram, 48 MHz, loads of extra peripherals) it is actually cheaper than the atmega1284, and it has build in USB controler, so the ftdi chip could be removed, a couple of other glue components is also gone now.

    It will mean that we have to work a bit harder at getting mysensors running, but since the MCU is supported by arduino, we should be able to manage.

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    • scalzS Offline
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      #101

      very interesting! I didn't know neutrino, pretty nice board. Seems there will be some work on software part but it is doable like you said. And you will have more power, which is nice for the GW I think, and I like when chip is usb compatible (like pic18f4550 ...). Maybe one day, it will become HID, lol!

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        #102

        @scalz

        I didn't know of the neutrino (or arduino zero) before @blacey mentioned it to me, and he finally got me convinced that I should swap the atmega1284. (I know that @axillent tried to convince me to use another chip, than the atmega, before.. But when you find this, and it can reduce board complexity..)

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        • scalzS Offline
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          #103

          @tbowmo: it is likely same things for me. lots of 8/16bits chip collection (microchip). but never moved to 32bit even if i have a 32bit usb bit wacker (not time to test it). I was thinking that you can do lot of things with 8bit chips. So yesterday, I have read a little the datasheet atsamd21. Wow, 1077 pages! But there is lots lots of features! I think I will try to order one sample for my collection! Plus, these chips seems to be not expensive but there is some learning curve on it. I think Microchip have missed a big move with arduino platform!

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            #104

            A couple of late night shots, of the progress..

            Getting ready for the first prototype spin of the board

            MysensorsGW-no-radios.png

            MysensorsGW-bottom.png

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            • RJ_MakeR Offline
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              #105

              That right there is a work of art!

              RJ_Make

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              • NeverDieN Offline
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                #106

                You may be interested in this Arduino shield:
                gw.JPG
                http://www.ebay.com/itm/WireLess-Gate-Shield-DIY-Maker-Seeed-BOOOLE-/171713943896?hash=item27faf2d958

                It has both NRF24L01+ and RFM69HW radios.

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                  #107

                  @tbowmo this gw is looking good, hope the prototypes get to you soon!

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                  • tbowmoT Offline
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                    #108

                    The first pcb's have arrived today.

                    They came a bit faster from dirtypcbs.com, than I had expected. So haven't even sourced the components yet.

                    So need to look into that the next couple of days.

                    front.jpg

                    back.jpg

                    with W5100 / NRF module "mounted" :
                    mockup.jpg

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                    • tbowmoT tbowmo

                      The first pcb's have arrived today.

                      They came a bit faster from dirtypcbs.com, than I had expected. So haven't even sourced the components yet.

                      So need to look into that the next couple of days.

                      front.jpg

                      back.jpg

                      with W5100 / NRF module "mounted" :
                      mockup.jpg

                      RJ_MakeR Offline
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                      #109

                      @tbowmo No mounting holes?

                      RJ_Make

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                        #110

                        @ServiceXp

                        As we need to bring things to life on a new MCU core (Cortex M0), I decided to just make a "simple" dev board, without holes. They will probably be added on the next iteration of the board. (Besides that, 3 of the corners are a bit crammed with components, so no place for the holes anyway.)

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                        • scalzS Offline
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                          #111

                          @tbowmo: very beautiful board. I can't wait to see how it will work. And your feedback about dirtypcb. I often use seeed for their price. But dirty seems good too regarding their shipping rates. I like osh sometimes for their beautiful boards.

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                            #112

                            @scalz

                            Haven't tried any of the other "cheap" board houses. But I'm glad for the quality that dirtypcbs are delivering, and the price can't be argued about..

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                              thx good to know.

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                                #114

                                things are beginning to take form..

                                First arduino sketch are running on the GW

                                Proof is here :)

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                                  great :clap:

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                                    #116

                                    Just learned a lesson the hard way, the last couple of days.. Discovered that I hadn't read the datasheet for the atsamd21 good enough, so I had connected all the PINS for the SPI / UARTs completely wrong. Which means 10-12 connections that was wrong (the board uses 3 SPI ports and 2 UARTs, one SPI doubles as UART, depending on the network interface connected)

                                    So new boards are in the pipeline from dirtypcbs.com

                                    This is btw improved on a couple of other points, compared to the previous board. Biggest is, that it now has 4 x 3mm mounting holes, (happy now @ServiceXp ? :)). It also got a couple of extra solder jumpers on the backside, that could be used for software configurations, or test points.

                                    MysensorsGW.jpg

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                                      @tbowmo: what a bad luck! but it is so easy to miss something when you look at the datasheet size :wink:
                                      I hope you will get it working like you want, I am sure :smiley:
                                      I like your enlarged pads for 0402. Is it easier to solder like this? Do you handsolder it? Do you think using 0603/0805 with no enlarged pads would take same place???I am asking this for my future designs, in case. But 0402 is so small...

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                                        @scalz

                                        I'm using 0603 components this time, as I'm not under that big a space constraint, as on the sensebender micro.

                                        The biggest issue is the finepitched SAMD21, have to be extra careful not to make solder bridges between the pins..

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                                          @tbowmo: 0603, cool. I have some samd21 sample but have not tried to solder them. it looks tiny but I think I will be able but not without some :cold_sweat:
                                          thank you for your precision :smile:

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