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  • rvendrameR Offline
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    rvendrame
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    @tbowmo said:

    absolute maximum voltage is 3.6V

    But will all components work properly on 3.3V?

    Home Assistant / Vera Plus UI7
    ESP8266 GW + mySensors 2.3.2
    Alexa / Google Home

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      @rvendrame

      Yes they would

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        rvendrame
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        @tbowmo thx a lot!

        Home Assistant / Vera Plus UI7
        ESP8266 GW + mySensors 2.3.2
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          #36

          I didn't find mention of it. What is the expected battery life ?
          I was going to replace AA by CR123 to gain in space.
          thkx

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            hek
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            #37

            I posted some measurements above. Hard to say a definite battery life expectation. Depends on many factors such as battery quality, send frequency and what external sensors you attach.

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            • hekH hek

              @gol

              It was measured by @blacey to 0.05 mA while sleeping and 0.95 mA during transmit. @tbowmo got some higher figures but they were most probably related to running a NRF24L01+ clone.

              @jeylites
              Yes, have a look at the bootloader here:
              https://github.com/mysensors/Arduino/tree/master/MYSBootloader
              You can test OTA updates using the MYSController. It overwrites program memory in-place during boot. If communication goes down or fails during this process the node won't boot up again (you have to upload a new sketch while connected to you computer).

              The sensbender has a external flash which means we can safely store the OTA firmware while normal sketch is running. When everything has been downloaded the DualOptiboot moves new firmware from flash to program memory during bootup. The code for this has been written (in development branch) but has not been tested yet (I failed handsoldering them :() .

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              #38

              @hek I computed that sending a value every minute with a 10 seconds of communication every minute (wakeup), the autonomy for a single 3V 1500mA CR123 lithium battery is around 1 year (312 Days). Around 2 year for a dual Lithium AA, I guess.
              If there is 5 second of wakeup every minute, it's 500 days for a single cell CR123.
              Purely theorical... but it gives an order of magnetude.

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              • hekH hek

                I posted some measurements above. Hard to say a definite battery life expectation. Depends on many factors such as battery quality, send frequency and what external sensors you attach.

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                #39

                @hek Of course it's difficult to predict, it's just to have an order of magnitude, specially if I want to use a CRV123 3V battery. I don't want to change it every 2 months. One year should be good.

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                  #40

                  Would this work with a 3,7V Li-Ion 18650 cell? Because I've got a S... load from old laptops

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                  • tbowmoT tbowmo

                    @rvendrame

                    absolute maximum voltage is 3.6V, above that you'll let the magic smoke out of the following components:

                    • Si7021
                    • external flash
                    • radio module.

                    Only the atmega328 and atsha204 will survive.

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                    #41

                    @Hausner said:

                    Would this work with a 3,7V Li-Ion 18650 cell? Because I've got a S... load from old laptops

                    @tbowmo said:

                    absolute maximum voltage is 3.6V, above that you'll let the magic smoke out of the following components:

                    • Si7021
                    • external flash
                    • radio module.

                    Only the atmega328 and atsha204 will survive.

                    Refering to what @tbowmo said and if you measure your batteries you will find that they will give more than 4V when fully charged I came to the conclusion that this is not a good idea.

                    However if someone has a good proposal for how these kind of batteries are best used with the Sensebender Micro I would like to know also.

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                      #42

                      However if someone has a good proposal for how these kind of batteries are best used with the Sensebender Micro I would like to know also.

                      mcp1702 for example...

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                        Really nice board!

                        I think it would be good to have ( ver 2? ) a space for a voltage reg. Perhaps as an option, just put the pads on the pcb and user can add regulator if they need to.
                        This way larger batteries such as the 18650 cells could be used.

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                        • greglG gregl

                          Really nice board!

                          I think it would be good to have ( ver 2? ) a space for a voltage reg. Perhaps as an option, just put the pads on the pcb and user can add regulator if they need to.
                          This way larger batteries such as the 18650 cells could be used.

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                          jeylites
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                          #44

                          I think version 2 should have a voltage regulator and about the same number of outputs as Arduino Nano.

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                            @jeylites

                            It's designed to be a simple, minimal, small sensor node.. Operating from 2xAA batteries. So there is no need for voltage regulator onboard, I know this both simpilfies the circuit, but also makes some limitations on the powersource.

                            What you are asking for, is an Arduino Nano, this has voltage regulator, and the number of IOs that you want :)

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                            • tbowmoT tbowmo

                              @jeylites

                              It's designed to be a simple, minimal, small sensor node.. Operating from 2xAA batteries. So there is no need for voltage regulator onboard, I know this both simpilfies the circuit, but also makes some limitations on the powersource.

                              What you are asking for, is an Arduino Nano, this has voltage regulator, and the number of IOs that you want :)

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                              @tbowmo I have nothing against Sensebender Micro. I just feel there should be Sensebender full size version to facilitate the number of I/O one may need.

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                                #47

                                So the shipment will start today for the preorders? I'm really excited to receive the new sensors.

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                                • G gloob

                                  So the shipment will start today for the preorders? I'm really excited to receive the new sensors.

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                                  tbowmo
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                                  @gloob

                                  Yes, they should.

                                  (Just checked.. 177 sensebender micro boards pre-ordered as I write this)

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                                    It would be nice to know how many devices has been preordered.

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                                      I must ask one thing.

                                      Which Radiochannel are there as default in the code in the sensebender Micro??

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                                      • HoffanH Hoffan

                                        I must ask one thing.

                                        Which Radiochannel are there as default in the code in the sensebender Micro??

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                                        hek
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                                        @Hoffan

                                        It comes with the default from MyConfig (76)
                                        https://github.com/mysensors/Arduino/blob/master/libraries/MySensors/MyConfig.h

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                                        • korttomaK korttoma

                                          It would be nice to know how many devices has been preordered.

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                                          @korttoma said:

                                          It would be nice to know how many devices has been preordered.

                                          see the post above your latest? ;) I have just written it ther :)

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