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  • hekH Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    Cool! I also live near a plant but it has been closed for 10+ years unfortunately (?).

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    • FotoFieberF FotoFieber

      As I live near a nuclear power plant, I thought it would be a good idea to have a radioactivity sensor:
      geiger.jpg
      Components used:

      Geiger Counter Kit:
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/321499888801?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

      An SBM-20 tube:
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/280865770387?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

      And MySensors with this sketch:

      #include <SPI.h>
      #include <MySensor.h>
      
      #define DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR 3   // The digital input you attached your motion sensor.  (Only 2 and 3 generates interrupt!)
      #define INTERRUPT DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR-2 // Usually the interrupt = pin -2 (on uno/nano anyway)
      #define CHILD_ID 1   // Id of the sensor child
      
      #define LOG_PERIOD 60000     //Logging period in milliseconds, recommended value 15000-60000.
      
      #define MAX_PERIOD 60000    //Maximum logging period
      
      unsigned long counts;             //variable for GM Tube events
      
      unsigned long cpm;                 //variable for CPM
      
      unsigned int multiplier;             //variable for calculation CPM in this sketch
      
      unsigned long previousMillis;      //variable for time measurement
      
      unsigned long timeReceived = 0;
      unsigned long timeRequested = 0;
      
      MySensor gw;
      // Initialize motion message
      MyMessage msg(CHILD_ID, V_VAR1);
      
      void setup()
      {
        wdt_enable(WDTO_8S);
        gw.begin();
      
        // Send the sketch version information to the gateway and Controller
        gw.sendSketchInfo("Geiger Sensor", "1.1");
      
        wdt_reset();
        // Register all sensors to gw (they will be created as child devices)
        gw.present(CHILD_ID, S_ARDUINO_NODE);
        
        // Geiger initialise
        counts = 0;
      
        cpm = 0;
      
        multiplier = MAX_PERIOD / LOG_PERIOD;      //calculating multiplier, depend on your log period
      
        pinMode(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR, INPUT);      // sets the geiger sensor digital pin as input
      
        digitalWrite(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR, HIGH);                                 // turn on internal pullup resistors, solder C-INT on the PCB
      
        attachInterrupt(1, tube_impulse, FALLING);  //define external interrupts
      
      }
      
      void loop()
      { 
        wdt_reset();
        unsigned long currentMillis = millis();
      
        if (currentMillis - previousMillis >= LOG_PERIOD) {
      
          cpm = counts * multiplier;
      
          gw.send(msg.set(cpm));
      
          counts = 0;
          previousMillis = currentMillis;
      
        }
      }
      
      
      void tube_impulse() {              //procedure for capturing events from Geiger Kit
      
        counts++;
      
      }
      
      
      
      
      

      I get cpm and in Node-Red I calculate microsievert/per hour:

      [{"id":"ba386057.845d3","type":"mqtt-broker","broker":"192.168.92.4","port":"1883","clientid":"NodeRed"},{"id":"75acf1fb.8a531","type":"mqtt in","name":"Geiger CPM","topic":"MyMQTT/48/1/V_VAR1","broker":"ba386057.845d3","x":146,"y":52,"z":"d1478aa9.2eb878","wires":[["d17bbe2a.2e844"]]},{"id":"d17bbe2a.2e844","type":"function","name":"Nach uSievert umrechnen","func":"cpm = msg.payload;\n\n// für SBM 20 Röhre\n// http://cs.stanford.edu/people/nick/geiger/\nusv = cpm * 0.0057;\n\nmsg.topic = 'NodeRed/Geiger/usv';\nmsg.payload = usv;\n\nreturn msg;","outputs":1,"valid":true,"x":377,"y":52,"z":"d1478aa9.2eb878","wires":[["c53927ba.3ac6d8"]]},{"id":"c53927ba.3ac6d8","type":"mqtt out","name":"","topic":"","qos":"","retain":"","broker":"ba386057.845d3","x":647,"y":52,"z":"d1478aa9.2eb878","wires":[]}]```
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      wrote on last edited by Sparkman
      #3

      @FotoFieber Thanks for posting. I have this Geiger counter kit on its way to me: https://sites.google.com/site/diygeigercounter/software-features along with an sbm-20. I plan to build the outside sending unit like this: https://sites.google.com/site/diygeigercounter/wireless-monitoring along with a custom shield that'll hold the NRF24 with PA/LNA and a few other components to control the power to the geiger counter and the NRF24. I won't need the indoor display station that's described on the site as I'm using the MySensors gateway and HomeSeer instead.

      Cheers
      Al

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        FotoFieber
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        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        Here is the update for mysensors 2.0

        //
        #define SKETCH_NAME "Geiger Sensor"
        #define SKETCH_MAJOR_VER "2"
        #define SKETCH_MINOR_VER "0"
        
        // Enable and select radio type attached
        #define MY_RADIO_NRF24
        
        #define MY_RF24_CHANNEL  13
        #define MY_RF24_BASE_RADIO_ID ((uint64_t)0xF8A813FC09CL)
        
        
        //
        #define DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR 3   // The digital input you attached your motion sensor.  (Only 2 and 3 generates interrupt!)
        #define INTERRUPT DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR-2 // Usually the interrupt = pin -2 (on uno/nano anyway)
        #define CHILD_ID 1   // Id of the sensor child
        
        #define LOG_PERIOD 60000     //Logging period in milliseconds, recommended value 15000-60000.
        
        #define MAX_PERIOD 60000    //Maximum logging period
        
        unsigned long counts;             //variable for GM Tube events
        
        unsigned long cpm;                 //variable for CPM
        
        unsigned int multiplier;             //variable for calculation CPM in this sketch
        
        unsigned long previousMillis;      //variable for time measurement
        
        unsigned long timeReceived = 0;
        unsigned long timeRequested = 0;
        
        // Enable debug prints to serial monitor
        #define MY_DEBUG
        
        
        #include <SPI.h>
        #include <MySensors.h>
        
        MyMessage msg(CHILD_ID, V_VAR1);
        
        void setup()
        {
          wdt_enable(WDTO_8S);
          
          // Geiger initialise
          counts = 0;
        
          cpm = 0;
        
          multiplier = MAX_PERIOD / LOG_PERIOD;      //calculating multiplier, depend on your log period
        
          pinMode(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR, INPUT);      // sets the geiger sensor digital pin as input
        
          digitalWrite(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR, HIGH);                                 // turn on internal pullup resistors, solder C-INT on the PCB
        
          attachInterrupt(1, tube_impulse, FALLING);  //define external interrupts
        
          wdt_reset();
        }
        
        void presentation() {
          // Send the sketch version information to the gateway and Controller
          sendSketchInfo(SKETCH_NAME, SKETCH_MAJOR_VER "." SKETCH_MINOR_VER);
        
          wdt_reset();
          wait(500);
          present(CHILD_ID, S_ARDUINO_NODE);
          
          wdt_reset();
          wait(500);
         }
        
        void loop()
        { 
          wdt_reset();
          unsigned long currentMillis = millis();
        
          if (currentMillis - previousMillis >= LOG_PERIOD) {
        
            cpm = counts * multiplier;
        
            send(msg.set(cpm));
        
            counts = 0;
            previousMillis = currentMillis;
        
          }
        }
        
        
        void tube_impulse() {              //procedure for capturing events from Geiger Kit
        
          counts++;
        
        }
        
        
        
        

        @Hek
        What do you think about a sensor type geiger counter with cpm and microsievert? V_VAR1 for cpm ist not cool :cool:

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        • hekH Offline
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          hek
          Admin
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          Haha, not cool. :D What? Radioactivity is always cool!

          Well, we still use VAR_1 for pulses in EnergyMeterPulseSensor, which probably is a bit more commonly used. A generic V_PULSECOUNT perhaps..On the EnergyMeterPulseSensor is it only used for saving a state in case of power failure. Is it the same use-case here?

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          • FotoFieberF Offline
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            FotoFieber
            Hardware Contributor
            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            @hek
            counts per minute:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counts_per_minute

            A generic V_PULSECOUNT would be fine.

            The microsievert is the interesting physical unit you can derive from the cpm. The calculation is depending from the tube you use.

            http://cs.stanford.edu/people/nick/geiger/

            In my case:
            usv = cpm * 0.0057;

            What about a type S_RADIOACTIVITY?

            Here the natural radioactivity in my garage:
            0_1471672357241_Grafana   Radioaktivität.png

            The sum of the doses you get over time is the interesting number:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert

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              hek
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              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              S_RADIOACTIVITY sounds like useful new device type.

              When reading up a bit more. Wouldn't it be better to send in radiation level (uSv/hr) as V_LEVEL. We try to re-use V_LEVEL between device-types for SI-levels of any kind.

              I have started this a new issue here to discuss it further:
              https://github.com/mysensors/MySensors/issues/567

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                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                Excellent - thank you guys. I have been looking for an addition to my weather station.
                I think I'll place an order for this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182166337823?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
                This is 100% Japanese built Arduino based Geiger counter.

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                  #9

                  @hek Henrik, where do you stand with S_RADIOACTIVITY please?
                  Unfortunately, I cannot use S_CUSTOM or any other with Domoticz so has to wait for a S_RADIOACTIVITY being implemented with (1) MySensors (2) Domoticz.

                  Thanks
                  Alex

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                    hek
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    It's just a matter on agreeing on what types/data to send. Please post your input in the issue.

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                    • hekH hek

                      It's just a matter on agreeing on what types/data to send. Please post your input in the issue.

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                      wrote on last edited by alexsh1
                      #11

                      @hek The logging software is reporting is as follows every minute:

                      CPS, 2, CPM, 15, uSv/hr, 0.08, SLOW
                      (Please see http://mightyohm.com/blog/2012/02/tutorial-geiger-counter-data-logging/)

                      Therefore, there are four parameters here and I propose to use the following:

                      1. CPS --> ???
                      2. CPM --> ???
                      3. uSv/hr --> S_RADIOACTIVITY (V_LEVEL)
                      4. SLOW/FAST -> S_INFO (V_TEXT)
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                        wrote on last edited by alexsh1
                        #12

                        We can keep it simple - CPM and uSv/hr are the two typically reported.
                        Even more simple - knowing CPM we can figure out uSv/hr

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                        • alexsh1A alexsh1

                          We can keep it simple - CPM and uSv/hr are the two typically reported.
                          Even more simple - knowing CPM we can figure out uSv/hr

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                          FotoFieber
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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          @alexsh1
                          Calculation of uSv/hr based on CPM is dependent of the tube. If we do not implement the calculation in the sketch, it must be done in the controller.

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                          • FotoFieberF FotoFieber

                            @alexsh1
                            Calculation of uSv/hr based on CPM is dependent of the tube. If we do not implement the calculation in the sketch, it must be done in the controller.

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                            @FotoFieber my understanding is that all meters are calibrated to either Cs137 or Co60, which is more likely down to the tube. However, I do not understand why we care about the conversion. My geiger meter reports both uSv/hr and CPM and a number of other meters reports exactly the same. If there is any conversion required, it has to be done in the sketch IMHO.

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                            • hekH hek

                              It's just a matter on agreeing on what types/data to send. Please post your input in the issue.

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                              @hek Any news on this please? I am missing definition for CPS/CPM.

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                              • FotoFieberF FotoFieber

                                Here is the update for mysensors 2.0

                                //
                                #define SKETCH_NAME "Geiger Sensor"
                                #define SKETCH_MAJOR_VER "2"
                                #define SKETCH_MINOR_VER "0"
                                
                                // Enable and select radio type attached
                                #define MY_RADIO_NRF24
                                
                                #define MY_RF24_CHANNEL  13
                                #define MY_RF24_BASE_RADIO_ID ((uint64_t)0xF8A813FC09CL)
                                
                                
                                //
                                #define DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR 3   // The digital input you attached your motion sensor.  (Only 2 and 3 generates interrupt!)
                                #define INTERRUPT DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR-2 // Usually the interrupt = pin -2 (on uno/nano anyway)
                                #define CHILD_ID 1   // Id of the sensor child
                                
                                #define LOG_PERIOD 60000     //Logging period in milliseconds, recommended value 15000-60000.
                                
                                #define MAX_PERIOD 60000    //Maximum logging period
                                
                                unsigned long counts;             //variable for GM Tube events
                                
                                unsigned long cpm;                 //variable for CPM
                                
                                unsigned int multiplier;             //variable for calculation CPM in this sketch
                                
                                unsigned long previousMillis;      //variable for time measurement
                                
                                unsigned long timeReceived = 0;
                                unsigned long timeRequested = 0;
                                
                                // Enable debug prints to serial monitor
                                #define MY_DEBUG
                                
                                
                                #include <SPI.h>
                                #include <MySensors.h>
                                
                                MyMessage msg(CHILD_ID, V_VAR1);
                                
                                void setup()
                                {
                                  wdt_enable(WDTO_8S);
                                  
                                  // Geiger initialise
                                  counts = 0;
                                
                                  cpm = 0;
                                
                                  multiplier = MAX_PERIOD / LOG_PERIOD;      //calculating multiplier, depend on your log period
                                
                                  pinMode(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR, INPUT);      // sets the geiger sensor digital pin as input
                                
                                  digitalWrite(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR, HIGH);                                 // turn on internal pullup resistors, solder C-INT on the PCB
                                
                                  attachInterrupt(1, tube_impulse, FALLING);  //define external interrupts
                                
                                  wdt_reset();
                                }
                                
                                void presentation() {
                                  // Send the sketch version information to the gateway and Controller
                                  sendSketchInfo(SKETCH_NAME, SKETCH_MAJOR_VER "." SKETCH_MINOR_VER);
                                
                                  wdt_reset();
                                  wait(500);
                                  present(CHILD_ID, S_ARDUINO_NODE);
                                  
                                  wdt_reset();
                                  wait(500);
                                 }
                                
                                void loop()
                                { 
                                  wdt_reset();
                                  unsigned long currentMillis = millis();
                                
                                  if (currentMillis - previousMillis >= LOG_PERIOD) {
                                
                                    cpm = counts * multiplier;
                                
                                    send(msg.set(cpm));
                                
                                    counts = 0;
                                    previousMillis = currentMillis;
                                
                                  }
                                }
                                
                                
                                void tube_impulse() {              //procedure for capturing events from Geiger Kit
                                
                                  counts++;
                                
                                }
                                
                                
                                
                                

                                @Hek
                                What do you think about a sensor type geiger counter with cpm and microsievert? V_VAR1 for cpm ist not cool :cool:

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                                #16

                                @FotoFieber Cannot use MyMessage msg(CHILD_ID, V_VAR1); as this is not supported by Domoticz.

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