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  • hekH Offline
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    hek
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    #5

    Haha, not cool. :D What? Radioactivity is always cool!

    Well, we still use VAR_1 for pulses in EnergyMeterPulseSensor, which probably is a bit more commonly used. A generic V_PULSECOUNT perhaps..On the EnergyMeterPulseSensor is it only used for saving a state in case of power failure. Is it the same use-case here?

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      #6

      @hek
      counts per minute:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counts_per_minute

      A generic V_PULSECOUNT would be fine.

      The microsievert is the interesting physical unit you can derive from the cpm. The calculation is depending from the tube you use.

      http://cs.stanford.edu/people/nick/geiger/

      In my case:
      usv = cpm * 0.0057;

      What about a type S_RADIOACTIVITY?

      Here the natural radioactivity in my garage:
      0_1471672357241_Grafana   Radioaktivität.png

      The sum of the doses you get over time is the interesting number:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert

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        #7

        S_RADIOACTIVITY sounds like useful new device type.

        When reading up a bit more. Wouldn't it be better to send in radiation level (uSv/hr) as V_LEVEL. We try to re-use V_LEVEL between device-types for SI-levels of any kind.

        I have started this a new issue here to discuss it further:
        https://github.com/mysensors/MySensors/issues/567

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        • alexsh1A Offline
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          #8

          Excellent - thank you guys. I have been looking for an addition to my weather station.
          I think I'll place an order for this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182166337823?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
          This is 100% Japanese built Arduino based Geiger counter.

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            @hek Henrik, where do you stand with S_RADIOACTIVITY please?
            Unfortunately, I cannot use S_CUSTOM or any other with Domoticz so has to wait for a S_RADIOACTIVITY being implemented with (1) MySensors (2) Domoticz.

            Thanks
            Alex

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            • hekH Offline
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              #10

              It's just a matter on agreeing on what types/data to send. Please post your input in the issue.

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              • hekH hek

                It's just a matter on agreeing on what types/data to send. Please post your input in the issue.

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                #11

                @hek The logging software is reporting is as follows every minute:

                CPS, 2, CPM, 15, uSv/hr, 0.08, SLOW
                (Please see http://mightyohm.com/blog/2012/02/tutorial-geiger-counter-data-logging/)

                Therefore, there are four parameters here and I propose to use the following:

                1. CPS --> ???
                2. CPM --> ???
                3. uSv/hr --> S_RADIOACTIVITY (V_LEVEL)
                4. SLOW/FAST -> S_INFO (V_TEXT)
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                  wrote on last edited by alexsh1
                  #12

                  We can keep it simple - CPM and uSv/hr are the two typically reported.
                  Even more simple - knowing CPM we can figure out uSv/hr

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                  • alexsh1A alexsh1

                    We can keep it simple - CPM and uSv/hr are the two typically reported.
                    Even more simple - knowing CPM we can figure out uSv/hr

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                    @alexsh1
                    Calculation of uSv/hr based on CPM is dependent of the tube. If we do not implement the calculation in the sketch, it must be done in the controller.

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                    • FotoFieberF FotoFieber

                      @alexsh1
                      Calculation of uSv/hr based on CPM is dependent of the tube. If we do not implement the calculation in the sketch, it must be done in the controller.

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                      #14

                      @FotoFieber my understanding is that all meters are calibrated to either Cs137 or Co60, which is more likely down to the tube. However, I do not understand why we care about the conversion. My geiger meter reports both uSv/hr and CPM and a number of other meters reports exactly the same. If there is any conversion required, it has to be done in the sketch IMHO.

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                      • hekH hek

                        It's just a matter on agreeing on what types/data to send. Please post your input in the issue.

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                        #15

                        @hek Any news on this please? I am missing definition for CPS/CPM.

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                        • FotoFieberF FotoFieber

                          Here is the update for mysensors 2.0

                          //
                          #define SKETCH_NAME "Geiger Sensor"
                          #define SKETCH_MAJOR_VER "2"
                          #define SKETCH_MINOR_VER "0"
                          
                          // Enable and select radio type attached
                          #define MY_RADIO_NRF24
                          
                          #define MY_RF24_CHANNEL  13
                          #define MY_RF24_BASE_RADIO_ID ((uint64_t)0xF8A813FC09CL)
                          
                          
                          //
                          #define DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR 3   // The digital input you attached your motion sensor.  (Only 2 and 3 generates interrupt!)
                          #define INTERRUPT DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR-2 // Usually the interrupt = pin -2 (on uno/nano anyway)
                          #define CHILD_ID 1   // Id of the sensor child
                          
                          #define LOG_PERIOD 60000     //Logging period in milliseconds, recommended value 15000-60000.
                          
                          #define MAX_PERIOD 60000    //Maximum logging period
                          
                          unsigned long counts;             //variable for GM Tube events
                          
                          unsigned long cpm;                 //variable for CPM
                          
                          unsigned int multiplier;             //variable for calculation CPM in this sketch
                          
                          unsigned long previousMillis;      //variable for time measurement
                          
                          unsigned long timeReceived = 0;
                          unsigned long timeRequested = 0;
                          
                          // Enable debug prints to serial monitor
                          #define MY_DEBUG
                          
                          
                          #include <SPI.h>
                          #include <MySensors.h>
                          
                          MyMessage msg(CHILD_ID, V_VAR1);
                          
                          void setup()
                          {
                            wdt_enable(WDTO_8S);
                            
                            // Geiger initialise
                            counts = 0;
                          
                            cpm = 0;
                          
                            multiplier = MAX_PERIOD / LOG_PERIOD;      //calculating multiplier, depend on your log period
                          
                            pinMode(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR, INPUT);      // sets the geiger sensor digital pin as input
                          
                            digitalWrite(DIGITAL_INPUT_SENSOR, HIGH);                                 // turn on internal pullup resistors, solder C-INT on the PCB
                          
                            attachInterrupt(1, tube_impulse, FALLING);  //define external interrupts
                          
                            wdt_reset();
                          }
                          
                          void presentation() {
                            // Send the sketch version information to the gateway and Controller
                            sendSketchInfo(SKETCH_NAME, SKETCH_MAJOR_VER "." SKETCH_MINOR_VER);
                          
                            wdt_reset();
                            wait(500);
                            present(CHILD_ID, S_ARDUINO_NODE);
                            
                            wdt_reset();
                            wait(500);
                           }
                          
                          void loop()
                          { 
                            wdt_reset();
                            unsigned long currentMillis = millis();
                          
                            if (currentMillis - previousMillis >= LOG_PERIOD) {
                          
                              cpm = counts * multiplier;
                          
                              send(msg.set(cpm));
                          
                              counts = 0;
                              previousMillis = currentMillis;
                          
                            }
                          }
                          
                          
                          void tube_impulse() {              //procedure for capturing events from Geiger Kit
                          
                            counts++;
                          
                          }
                          
                          
                          
                          

                          @Hek
                          What do you think about a sensor type geiger counter with cpm and microsievert? V_VAR1 for cpm ist not cool :cool:

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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #16

                          @FotoFieber Cannot use MyMessage msg(CHILD_ID, V_VAR1); as this is not supported by Domoticz.

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