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Which is better: RFM69 or NRF24L01+?

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  • FrancoisF Offline
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    Francois
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    @rvendrame I will only go for the RFM69. When I start playing with the Mysensor project Hek only had only support for the NRF24l01+. Once they port the library over to support the RFM69 I stop using the NRF24L01+. Luckly I don't have big installation on the NRF24 radio.

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      @rvendrame

      Yes, there will be some adjustments to code here and there.. But first the prototypes needs to be build, before we can make code for it.. (Also, I don't have any rfm69 hardware at the moment..)

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      • FrancoisF Francois

        @rvendrame I will only go for the RFM69. When I start playing with the Mysensor project Hek only had only support for the NRF24l01+. Once they port the library over to support the RFM69 I stop using the NRF24L01+. Luckly I don't have big installation on the NRF24 radio.

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        Moshe Livne
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        @Francois darn, by now i can wire the nrf from memory. Now to learn new wiring....
        The power consumption in idle is still something to consider

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        • Moshe LivneM Moshe Livne

          @Francois darn, by now i can wire the nrf from memory. Now to learn new wiring....
          The power consumption in idle is still something to consider

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          NeverDie
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          @Moshe-Livne said:

          The power consumption in idle is still something to consider

          According to JeeLabs, " The RFM69 draws 0.1 µA in sleep mode." Say, isn't that lower than for the NRF24L01+?

          Or, by "idle," were you referring to something else?

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          • NeverDieN NeverDie

            @Moshe-Livne said:

            The power consumption in idle is still something to consider

            According to JeeLabs, " The RFM69 draws 0.1 µA in sleep mode." Say, isn't that lower than for the NRF24L01+?

            Or, by "idle," were you referring to something else?

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            Moshe Livne
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            @NeverDie I mean in reality... people here measured 30uA compared to 3uA in similar nrf setup. could be the result of many things, might be just a kink that has to be ironed in the software.

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              NeverDie
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              #16

              I haven't measured it myself, so I'm very open to everybody's data. Hopefully more people will post results of their own measurements and a pattern will emerge suggesting what's truth.

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                shabba
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                Just curious if anyone has tested the power consumption yet? But to be honest only one of my sensors is battery powered so I'm not overly concerned :-)

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                  @francois where did you get your antenna for rfm69. DIY ?

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                    #19

                    Hi,

                    Anyone got the Ethernet gateway going with RFM69? I am struggling and I am not sure, but I think there are a few issues in the V1.5 for RFM69.

                    @NeverDie, a 78mm piece of wire works well for antenna.
                    *Edit - Sorry, this is assuming 915MHz. See https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/electromagnetism/antenna-wavelength.php and choose quater wavelength

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                    • M mrmin24

                      Hi,

                      Anyone got the Ethernet gateway going with RFM69? I am struggling and I am not sure, but I think there are a few issues in the V1.5 for RFM69.

                      @NeverDie, a 78mm piece of wire works well for antenna.
                      *Edit - Sorry, this is assuming 915MHz. See https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/electromagnetism/antenna-wavelength.php and choose quater wavelength

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                      NeverDie
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                      @mrmin24 said:

                      Hi,

                      Anyone got the Ethernet gateway going with RFM69? I am struggling and I am not sure, but I think there are a few issues in the V1.5 for RFM69.

                      @NeverDie, a 78mm piece of wire works well for antenna.

                      Does it make any difference what the wire diameter is? I'm assuming the thicker the better?

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                        @NeverDie Probably, but I don't think you should stress too much. The power is not "that" high.

                        See http://ham.stackexchange.com/questions/140/good-wire-for-wire-antenna for what seems like valid response.

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                        • M mrmin24

                          @NeverDie Probably, but I don't think you should stress too much. The power is not "that" high.

                          See http://ham.stackexchange.com/questions/140/good-wire-for-wire-antenna for what seems like valid response.

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                          NeverDie
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                          @mrmin24 said:

                          @NeverDie Probably, but I don't think you should stress too much. The power is not "that" high.

                          See http://ham.stackexchange.com/questions/140/good-wire-for-wire-antenna for what seems like valid response.

                          Right, I'm just not t sure how to account for the "skin effect".

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                            @fets yes ons DIY. I am using 433mhz radio and I just wound the wire around screwdriver the thickness of the wire is 5.8mm and it is working for me.

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                            • FrancoisF Francois

                              @fets yes ons DIY. I am using 433mhz radio and I just wound the wire around screwdriver the thickness of the wire is 5.8mm and it is working for me.

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                              NeverDie
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                              #24

                              @Francois said:

                              @fets yes ons DIY. I am using 433mhz radio and I just wound the wire around screwdriver the thickness of the wire is 5.8mm and it is working for me.

                              Is it just bare copper, or does it have some kind of thin insulator on it like magnet wire has?

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                                @NeverDie it is just bare copper wire.

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                                  Bare or insulated wire will work the same. I use insulated on my 433mhz transmitter/receiver node to prevent the antenna from shorting anything on the board, just in case.

                                  Veralite UI5 :: IBoard Ethernet GW :: MyS 1.5

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                                    @francois nice job

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                                    • fetsF fets

                                      @francois nice job

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                                      NeverDie
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                                      @fets said:

                                      @francois nice job

                                      +1

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                                        #29

                                        Here a theory as to why the RFM69x might be better, at least for some people. Broadly speaking, RFM69x apparently has better range under regular conditions. "Well," you say, "I don't need better range. I live in a matchbox. My existing range is fine." Yes, when you're batteries are providing 3.3v, maybe it is. But what about when they're low and supplying closer to 1.8v, or whatever your cutoff is? How good is your range then?

                                        So, my hope is that RFM69x will be sufficiently awesomer that it will have at least as good a range at, say, 1.8v as an NRF24L01+ does at 3.3v.

                                        To be a good, reliable engineering design, you need to build your nodes/system for the worst case: i.e. their range is still effective even when all their batteries are on the verge of cutting out.

                                        So, you could compensate for NRF24L01's lesser range by deploying repeaters, if necessary. However, you might avoid that cost and higher latency and possible deployment/maintenance hassle if you funnel those dollars into nodes that have better radios in the first place.

                                        Anyhow, just thinking out loud here, of another angle on how to decide which is better for you.

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                                          Looking into it, it's beginning to look as though the RFM69HW can't be scaled back on Tx power by much, if any. That's because, allegedly, it's PA has to be turned on if it is to work at all. So, this may explain why some people are opting for the RFM69W instead.

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