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[SOLVED] 2 X nrf24l01+pa+lna with RF24_PA_MAX

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    wico2002
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    @Oitzu questions: on the picture, the foil cover up the base of the antenna. Can it touch the antenna connector itself (golden part the antenna is screw on) or this part also need to be covered with plastic film ?

    You also told you will try to cover up the inside of the case with foil to not wrap the radio itself... did you try it ?

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      Oitzu
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      @wico2002: you should also cover the base of the antenna with plastic foil.
      As far as i know the base is grounded. I don't really know if this makes any difference but i let my tinfoil ungrounded. I'm no expert in RF mechanics. :D

      No not tried this yet.. but this should have the same effect as the tinfoil wrapping.
      As long as you let stick the antenna out of the housing.... ;)

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        wico2002
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        @Oitzu A BIG THANK YOU, it work now with the foil trick. I'll will maybe close other forum topics including your topic's url. thank you again

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          Dwalt
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          Using @Oitzu 's trick, I wrapped my iBoard Gateway in aluminum tape. I can't tell if there is any benefit in transmission range or reduced interference but at least it looks nice and shiny!

          IMG_20151007_213755.jpg

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          Veralite UI5 :: IBoard Ethernet GW :: MyS 1.5

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            Oitzu
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            @Dwalt will this box also sends packets to the path of valallah?
            Screenshot 2015-10-08 09.27.25.png

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              @Dwalt will this box also sends packets to the path of valallah?
              Screenshot 2015-10-08 09.27.25.png

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              Dwalt
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              @Oitzu Yes, now my network will ride eternal!

              Actually, my brother saw the modification and asked if I was trying to prevent the NSA from intercepting my humidity readings. Hmmm, maybe a secondary benefit...

              rob-tinfoil-hat-compressed.jpg

              Veralite UI5 :: IBoard Ethernet GW :: MyS 1.5

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                doblanch
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                Finally does the foil should be grounded or not ??
                thanks

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                  mfalkvidd
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                  #26

                  Grounding the foil will not affect the shininess, but it could improve the shielding.

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                    Grounding the foil will not affect the shininess, but it could improve the shielding.

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                    doblanch
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                    #27

                    @mfalkvidd thanks for your reply.
                    If we want to ground it, can we use the gold base ? I guess that this part is grounded....

                    I met some issues with PA LNA, do you think that it can freeze after a while, and powering the NRF24+PA+LNA directly on the nano ? It seems that after one month of use, I loss many packets..

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                      Oitzu
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                      @doblanch well the theory says it should be grounded so the signals induced into the foil can "flow" to ground instead to build up a current in the foil. (But make sure to just connect ground to one side of the foil, connecting on multiple points can produce a ground loop)
                      I havn't tested if the "gold" base is grounded, maybe just check with an multimeter?
                      Also i have fine results with grounded and ungrounded shield.

                      The PA/LNA shouldn't be powered directly from the nano. The voltage regulator on the nano will probably not deliver enough current to stable power the PA/LNA modul on the high power settings.

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                        @doblanch well the theory says it should be grounded so the signals induced into the foil can "flow" to ground instead to build up a current in the foil. (But make sure to just connect ground to one side of the foil, connecting on multiple points can produce a ground loop)
                        I havn't tested if the "gold" base is grounded, maybe just check with an multimeter?
                        Also i have fine results with grounded and ungrounded shield.

                        The PA/LNA shouldn't be powered directly from the nano. The voltage regulator on the nano will probably not deliver enough current to stable power the PA/LNA modul on the high power settings.

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                        @Oitzu Thanks. I will test it ungrounded first.
                        For the nano thanks also for your reply, it's great to have confirmation that nano can not really support NRF+PA+LNA with RF24_PA_MAX parameter, which is my case.
                        I hope , that powering direclty from a USB will avoid any more issue, that I'm hitting...
                        thanks again

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                          Oitzu
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                          @doblanch said:

                          I hope , that powering direclty from a USB will avoid any more issue, that I'm hitting...

                          Keep in mind that USB is 5V and the nrf24l01+ takes 3.3V on VCC.

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                            @doblanch said:

                            I hope , that powering direclty from a USB will avoid any more issue, that I'm hitting...

                            Keep in mind that USB is 5V and the nrf24l01+ takes 3.3V on VCC.

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                            doblanch
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                            @Oitzu Yes of course, I'm using a Buck power down socket ( the one recommended on mysensor.org)
                            thanks

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