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My Slim 2AA Battery Node

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    Komaandy
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    #437

    @m26872
    thanks again for this great idea and that you developed these fine boards !
    And by the way...
    As you are using fhem as well...
    How do you manage to reset the tripped "1" in Fhem ?
    I just added a delay and a gw.send"0" to your sketch :), but using fhem would be more sophisticated actually ...
    Thanks

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      @m26872
      thanks again for this great idea and that you developed these fine boards !
      And by the way...
      As you are using fhem as well...
      How do you manage to reset the tripped "1" in Fhem ?
      I just added a delay and a gw.send"0" to your sketch :), but using fhem would be more sophisticated actually ...
      Thanks

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      m26872
      Hardware Contributor
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      @Komaandy said in My Slim 2AA Battery Node:

      How do you manage to reset the tripped "1" in Fhem ?

      I don't. I just use the last trip time as it's state and then notify (e.g. light or push message) on trip. I think it should be very simple to make a notify with a timer "at" to reset it after a while, if you wish.

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        siod
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        just want to mention that I am using successfully the same Bootloader @Komaandy is using for about 2 weeks now. So it seems like my problems with freezing nodes are depending on a bad or too slow bootloader...

        still learning...

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          buxtronix
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          #440

          All of the ducting near me is a bit too slim to fit sensors based on this, so I decided to design and print a case instead.

          Does the trick nicely, and I also chose to use proper AA battery clips to retain a good connection, as the cable-tie battery assembly wasn't holding well for me!

          On the Thingiverse page I have a link to the original OnShape doc.

          https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2418194
          0_1499172178811_IMG_20170704_222046.jpg

          Thoughts, suggestions, etc will be much appreciated!

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            Oliviakrk
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            Hi

            Did anyone make DHT 22 slim node with MySensors 2.0? I created one Node from modified MySenors 2 example...But I get a feeling that it is freezing sometimes (but then again comes back to life).

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            • O Oliviakrk

              Hi

              Did anyone make DHT 22 slim node with MySensors 2.0? I created one Node from modified MySenors 2 example...But I get a feeling that it is freezing sometimes (but then again comes back to life).

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              @Oliviakrk the dht22 needs at least 3.3V to function properly. See the datasheet.

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              • O Oliviakrk

                Hi

                Did anyone make DHT 22 slim node with MySensors 2.0? I created one Node from modified MySenors 2 example...But I get a feeling that it is freezing sometimes (but then again comes back to life).

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                sundberg84
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                #443

                @Oliviakrk - I did a test (which works pretty ok) with a DC/DC step up booster attached to D3 -> Vin. This way I could turn the booster on/off with HIGH/LOW from the sketch. This provided 3.3v to my sensors just fine and has been working for a while now. I dont know what will happen when the voltage drops though.

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                  @Oliviakrk - I did a test (which works pretty ok) with a DC/DC step up booster attached to D3 -> Vin. This way I could turn the booster on/off with HIGH/LOW from the sketch. This provided 3.3v to my sensors just fine and has been working for a while now. I dont know what will happen when the voltage drops though.

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                  Oliviakrk
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                  @sundberg84 Thanks. Will try.

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                    masfak97
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                    #445

                    Hi,
                    Thank you for all the hard work put into this project. I have built a few door sensor nodes and have some issues. At first I had pull-ups connected as shown in previous pictures but at a logic 1, when there should have been 3.3V there was only roughly half, 1.7V. I am no expert but I take it there has to be a current leak through the D3 pin for this to happen. I have this on all my nodes. I have tried different code but still the same. When I remove the external pull-up the node works properly but instead the batteries run out in a week or so. Have I made a mistake soldering these and maybe shorted something? I have looked at them closely but can't see anything wrong.

                    Does anyone else have this problem? Any tips?

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                      #446

                      Did you actually check if there is continuity between the pins you said? Do you have a photo of your nodes?

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                        masfak97
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                        #447

                        If I disconnect the battery, there is continuity between D3 and VCC with a resistance of around 20 kOhm. So when the door sensor is shut (no resistance), I connect GND through 20 kOhm to VCC. The current should be 0,165 mA. Too high by reading previous posts but still much less than what I get if I measure. Then I get roughly 18 mA! (Far from a Fluke though but has proven reliable before). Am I misunderstanding things?

                        I have tried different nodes and sketches with pull-ups both enabled and disabled but I doesn't seem to matter. I have tried different radio modules but still the same, unless I use the bigger! antenna-version. Then the current goes up to 24-25 mA.

                        I have done/am doing something really wrong although they seem to work just fine. Tomorrow I will try more radio modules to see if I can find any difference.

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                          If I disconnect the battery, there is continuity between D3 and VCC with a resistance of around 20 kOhm. So when the door sensor is shut (no resistance), I connect GND through 20 kOhm to VCC. The current should be 0,165 mA. Too high by reading previous posts but still much less than what I get if I measure. Then I get roughly 18 mA! (Far from a Fluke though but has proven reliable before). Am I misunderstanding things?

                          I have tried different nodes and sketches with pull-ups both enabled and disabled but I doesn't seem to matter. I have tried different radio modules but still the same, unless I use the bigger! antenna-version. Then the current goes up to 24-25 mA.

                          I have done/am doing something really wrong although they seem to work just fine. Tomorrow I will try more radio modules to see if I can find any difference.

                          3_1504391407612_IMG_4745.jpeg 2_1504391407612_IMG_4748.jpeg 1_1504391407612_IMG_4747.jpeg 0_1504391407611_IMG_4746.jpeg

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                          m26872
                          Hardware Contributor
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                          #448

                          @masfak97 It's not clear to me whether you've tried to run it a as pure Arduino, without radio module and without MySensors library in your sketch? (I see that you haven't the serial/FTDI pins soldered - do you use ICSP, pogo-pins or whatever to upload and debug?)

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                            masfak97
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                            #449

                            I have thought about running it as a pure arduino and to use the debug function, but can't quite get the FTDI to work. I have used this before to upload code to arduino pros. I have a previous node that has all the pins soldered but simply won't be recognized with the USB FTDI. I have also tried switching USB-FTDI but still no luck. Is the FTDI supposed to work if all the pins are there?

                            I have also bought a USBtinyISP but haven't read up on how to use it.

                            Currently I install a first boot loader with Nick Gammons sketch running on a UNO connected to a breadboard and the 328. After that has been installed, I install the 8 MHz boot loader by Gert Sanders (thank you of it) and finally upload the code using "Upload using programmer". I currently have no way of reading the serial debug from the node.

                            I checked the node without the nrf but still power-hungry in the mA.

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                              m26872
                              Hardware Contributor
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                              I think you should focus on getting these basic Arduino functions working so you're in control of what's going on. Note that I recently added a few updates to the first post of this thread (under The uC - Software). Read the tutorials and use 8MHz internal clock.
                              When you get everything running, test your door switch again with a simple Arduino sketch.

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                                I think you should focus on getting these basic Arduino functions working so you're in control of what's going on. Note that I recently added a few updates to the first post of this thread (under The uC - Software). Read the tutorials and use 8MHz internal clock.
                                When you get everything running, test your door switch again with a simple Arduino sketch.

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                                wergeld
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                                #451

                                @m26872
                                UPDATE 2: There have been reported issues with MySensors 2.x freezing on SlimNodes running at 1MHz, which I've confirmed. Recommended solution when using MyS 2.x, is to use 8MHz (internal) instead.

                                This I can confirm - running at 1 MHz introduced some real oddities with latest MySensors library. Not sure what changed but my nodes definitely freaked out. Will try switching to 8 MHz - hopefully before Irma whacks us here.

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                                  @m26872
                                  UPDATE 2: There have been reported issues with MySensors 2.x freezing on SlimNodes running at 1MHz, which I've confirmed. Recommended solution when using MyS 2.x, is to use 8MHz (internal) instead.

                                  This I can confirm - running at 1 MHz introduced some real oddities with latest MySensors library. Not sure what changed but my nodes definitely freaked out. Will try switching to 8 MHz - hopefully before Irma whacks us here.

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                                  kotzer
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                                  #452

                                  @wergeld
                                  Same confirmation from my side; 1mhz boot loader doesn't work; dht22 with step up connected does always give NAN. Switching to 8mhz boot loader did the trick.
                                  //@2.2.0-beta

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                                    @wergeld
                                    Same confirmation from my side; 1mhz boot loader doesn't work; dht22 with step up connected does always give NAN. Switching to 8mhz boot loader did the trick.
                                    //@2.2.0-beta

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                                    m26872
                                    Hardware Contributor
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                                    #453

                                    @kotzer Thanks for sharing. But (AFAIK) the Arduino DHT22 library has never worked at all at 1MHz. And since dht22 doesn't support <3V there's no need for 1MHz anyway.

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                                    • m26872M m26872

                                      @kotzer Thanks for sharing. But (AFAIK) the Arduino DHT22 library has never worked at all at 1MHz. And since dht22 doesn't support <3V there's no need for 1MHz anyway.

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                                      kotzer
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                                      @m26872
                                      Maybe offtopic, sry, but:
                                      I have Step up at dht22, so it has 3,3v to operate..

                                      But I am in wrong topic, it should be your first 2aa sensor ( https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/486/my-2aa-battery-sensor )

                                      This is what I built, and with 1mhz it doesn't work (tried with step up 3,3v and without) this wasted me many hours, because I wanted to save energy as much possible ;) with 8mhz its operating well.
                                      Greets from Germany

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                                        @m26872
                                        Maybe offtopic, sry, but:
                                        I have Step up at dht22, so it has 3,3v to operate..

                                        But I am in wrong topic, it should be your first 2aa sensor ( https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/486/my-2aa-battery-sensor )

                                        This is what I built, and with 1mhz it doesn't work (tried with step up 3,3v and without) this wasted me many hours, because I wanted to save energy as much possible ;) with 8mhz its operating well.
                                        Greets from Germany

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                                        m26872
                                        Hardware Contributor
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                                        @kotzer Infact I'm actually making a few of my first model too rigth now. I had components left over and despite everyones criticism against the dht22, I find it working very well as long as you deal with the failed readings in the sketch. And, the battery life time was pretty good too. Greets. :+1:

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                                        • m26872M m26872

                                          I think you should focus on getting these basic Arduino functions working so you're in control of what's going on. Note that I recently added a few updates to the first post of this thread (under The uC - Software). Read the tutorials and use 8MHz internal clock.
                                          When you get everything running, test your door switch again with a simple Arduino sketch.

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                                          masfak97
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                                          @m26872 I finally got to try your suggestions and loaded the Blink-sketch to my nodes. The power consumtion is then cut to ~4mA. Scrolling back through the forum, I copied the sketch from a user with low power consumption and - Finally - I get an idle comsumtion of 1,9 uA! Connecting the FTDI I can also debug and check for proper function.

                                          I do have another problem I haven't managed to solve; With an UNO and a breadboard I can easily load the bootloader using Nick Gammons sketch and then the sketch with the UNO as ISP. Using the FTDI I can read the serial stream without any problem but I can't seem to load any bootloader or sketches! I keep getting a sync error. I understand the principle of DTR going low and that the capacitor between DTR and reset and the resistor between +5 and reset will make the LOW into a low-pulse and then back to high. With the FTDI I can program a Pro Mini without any problems but it fails constantly with the nodes.

                                          I have no scope so I can't visualize the signal but with the meter I can see that the voltage on the reset is ~3,3v, the resistance between +5 and reset is 10 kOhm and the capacitor reads 83 uF although branded 100uF.

                                          I use Gert Sanders versions of Optiboot at 8Mhz and the one with 38400 NO LED (Thank you for that). I have tried several FTDIs and nodes, checked all connetions, tried to control the reset manually using a breadboard but can't get it to work. I have tried the FTDI at 5v instead (no nRF connected) and tried different boards and speeds. I have tried 1 MHz, 16Mhz.

                                          Is it possible that 83 uF is too small? Any other tips? When building more nodes it would be great to be able to program them without dismantling.

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