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Motion Sensor, flaky behavior

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  • N naveen

    @BulldogLowell said:

    From my experience, the motion sensor sketch works.

    Are you sure you have good radio connectivity?

    That was the first thing I suspected, They are pretty close to each other and have almost direct line of sight...Maybe 7m (21ft) between the gateway and the node. Maybe I need to add a cap to the radio for the gateway?

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    @naveen

    definitely try that next.

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      I gave it a go and it doesn't seem to help much. I'm powering the APM with the power supply included in http://www.ebay.ca/itm/131143728672?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649. I have a 12V 2A wall adapter plugged into the power supply that came with the breadboard and I'm using the 5V output into the RAW Arduino pin

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      • N naveen

        I gave it a go and it doesn't seem to help much. I'm powering the APM with the power supply included in http://www.ebay.ca/itm/131143728672?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649. I have a 12V 2A wall adapter plugged into the power supply that came with the breadboard and I'm using the 5V output into the RAW Arduino pin

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        @naveen Did you check the 5v with a multimeter?
        I have an identical breadboard supply and fried mine with a "12v" adapter. After measuring the output of the adapter it appeared to be around 16v and the onboard voltage converter (ams1117 if I recall right) had it's maximum input set to 15v or so...

        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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        • YveauxY Yveaux

          @naveen Did you check the 5v with a multimeter?
          I have an identical breadboard supply and fried mine with a "12v" adapter. After measuring the output of the adapter it appeared to be around 16v and the onboard voltage converter (ams1117 if I recall right) had it's maximum input set to 15v or so...

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          @Yveaux

          Hmm, that's good to know. Apparently my lab has a multimeter lying around so I'll measure the outputs tonight. @hek do you think you could add a reliable power supply vendor to the MySensors store? It is the one thing that I've had trouble choosing - they all look pretty similar its hard to tell the good from the bad.

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            @naveen said:

            @hek do you think you could add a reliable power supply vendor to the MySensors store? It is the one thing that I've had trouble choosing - they all look pretty similar its hard to tell the good from the bad.

            Yep, it is hard to tell good from bad. You have to take them apart to be sure. We cannot recommend any special ebay power supply at the moment. But a general tip is to add a few dollars when dealing with AC power. There might be a reason why some stuff is so cheap.

            If anyone has a good supply dealer on ebay or elsewhere, please leave a tip here.

            When we create our own AC MySensors board we will have the possibility to select good stable components.

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              epierre
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              wrote on last edited by epierre
              #10

              I am to say I have the same issue...

              I have a big difference between what the serial displays and what the gw receives... even when adding such to prevent too much radio...

              if (lastValue != tripped) {
              gw.sendVariable(CHILD_ID, V_TRIPPED, tripped?"1":"0");  // Send tripped value to gw     
              }
              lastValue=tripped;
              

              here it is pointing to the ground:

              2014-07-26 20:47:03 4 1 1 0 26.1
              2014-07-26 20:47:04 7 0 1 16 0
              2014-07-26 20:47:04 7 0 1 16 1
              2014-07-26 20:47:05 7 0 1 16 0
              2014-07-26 20:47:08 7 0 1 16 1
              2014-07-26 20:47:11 7 0 1 16 0
              2014-07-26 20:47:14 7 0 1 16 1
              2014-07-26 20:47:16 7 0 1 16 0
              2014-07-26 20:47:20 7 0 1 16 1
              2014-07-26 20:47:24 7 0 1 16 0
              

              z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
              rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
              mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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              • epierreE epierre

                I am to say I have the same issue...

                I have a big difference between what the serial displays and what the gw receives... even when adding such to prevent too much radio...

                if (lastValue != tripped) {
                gw.sendVariable(CHILD_ID, V_TRIPPED, tripped?"1":"0");  // Send tripped value to gw     
                }
                lastValue=tripped;
                

                here it is pointing to the ground:

                2014-07-26 20:47:03 4 1 1 0 26.1
                2014-07-26 20:47:04 7 0 1 16 0
                2014-07-26 20:47:04 7 0 1 16 1
                2014-07-26 20:47:05 7 0 1 16 0
                2014-07-26 20:47:08 7 0 1 16 1
                2014-07-26 20:47:11 7 0 1 16 0
                2014-07-26 20:47:14 7 0 1 16 1
                2014-07-26 20:47:16 7 0 1 16 0
                2014-07-26 20:47:20 7 0 1 16 1
                2014-07-26 20:47:24 7 0 1 16 0
                
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                epierre
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                wrote on last edited by epierre
                #11

                oooppppssss... wiring error.... @hek always told me to double check...

                Here some hysteresis could be added, as commercial grade motion sensor, a value the gateway could send to modify how long the presence sensor will not send the "alarm is over", avoiding thus lots of notifications on server side and lot of redundant messages, here one every 2s ...

                z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                  #12

                  I'm wondering if there is some way to do this:

                  -send tripped command to gw/vera
                  -poll gw/vera for the state of the tripped command (this is the step I have no idea how to do)
                  -if value of tripped which was sent does not match the value in vera, resend command
                  -repeat

                  That way you ensure the message is continually sent until it is received (up to some finite number of times to prevent infinite loops)

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                    If you would consider moving your sensor network to 1.4 you can ask for an ack from gateway when you send in your tripped status.

                    This mean the gateway will reply back to you sensor and you can pick up this answer (or choose to resend status again after some timeout if ack never reaches your node).

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                    • epierreE epierre

                      oooppppssss... wiring error.... @hek always told me to double check...

                      Here some hysteresis could be added, as commercial grade motion sensor, a value the gateway could send to modify how long the presence sensor will not send the "alarm is over", avoiding thus lots of notifications on server side and lot of redundant messages, here one every 2s ...

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                      #14

                      @hek is there a way to make an interrupt with time ?

                      I mean:

                      • if it is tripped and previous status was untripped, send the alarm
                      • if it is untripped but below a certain time don't send anything
                      • after a while, the timer sends an untrip after the amount of time

                      z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                      rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                      mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                      • epierreE epierre

                        @hek is there a way to make an interrupt with time ?

                        I mean:

                        • if it is tripped and previous status was untripped, send the alarm
                        • if it is untripped but below a certain time don't send anything
                        • after a while, the timer sends an untrip after the amount of time
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                        @epierre

                        Yes, all this should be possible.
                        Untripped should probably still be handled by the motion sensor (you will get an interrupt when state changes and can use the trimpot to change delay).

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                        • hekH hek

                          @epierre

                          Yes, all this should be possible.
                          Untripped should probably still be handled by the motion sensor (you will get an interrupt when state changes and can use the trimpot to change delay).

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                          epierre
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                          #16

                          @hek you mean only the hardware way ?

                          Here if under 20s (in arduino time) I get my untrip, I don't send it. If a timer don't occurs, the untrip will never be sent.

                          any idea ?

                          z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                          rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                          mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                          • epierreE epierre

                            @hek you mean only the hardware way ?

                            Here if under 20s (in arduino time) I get my untrip, I don't send it. If a timer don't occurs, the untrip will never be sent.

                            any idea ?

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                            @epierre

                            How do you keep track of time while sleeping your Arduino?

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                            • hekH hek

                              @epierre

                              How do you keep track of time while sleeping your Arduino?

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                              epierre
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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #18

                              @hek do the millis does it ? else I can add a rtc

                              z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                              rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                              mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                              • hekH hek

                                If you would consider moving your sensor network to 1.4 you can ask for an ack from gateway when you send in your tripped status.

                                This mean the gateway will reply back to you sensor and you can pick up this answer (or choose to resend status again after some timeout if ack never reaches your node).

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                                @hek

                                Is there any reason I should avoid 1.4? I wouldn't mind upgrading if it'll make my sensors a bit more robust. I'm waiting for 5V power supplies in case the 12V power supply I have is what is causing my issues

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                                • N naveen

                                  @hek

                                  Is there any reason I should avoid 1.4? I wouldn't mind upgrading if it'll make my sensors a bit more robust. I'm waiting for 5V power supplies in case the 12V power supply I have is what is causing my issues

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                                  #20

                                  @naveen

                                  No, not really. Go for it. But things might still change (protocol/api) in 1.4. But that does not mean you have to update every day :smiley:

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                                  • YveauxY Yveaux

                                    @naveen Did you check the 5v with a multimeter?
                                    I have an identical breadboard supply and fried mine with a "12v" adapter. After measuring the output of the adapter it appeared to be around 16v and the onboard voltage converter (ams1117 if I recall right) had it's maximum input set to 15v or so...

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                                    @Yveaux said:

                                    @naveen Did you check the 5v with a multimeter?
                                    I have an identical breadboard supply and fried mine with a "12v" adapter. After measuring the output of the adapter it appeared to be around 16v and the onboard voltage converter (ams1117 if I recall right) had it's maximum input set to 15v or so...

                                    that happened to me once too.

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                                    • BulldogLowellB BulldogLowell

                                      @Yveaux said:

                                      @naveen Did you check the 5v with a multimeter?
                                      I have an identical breadboard supply and fried mine with a "12v" adapter. After measuring the output of the adapter it appeared to be around 16v and the onboard voltage converter (ams1117 if I recall right) had it's maximum input set to 15v or so...

                                      that happened to me once too.

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                                      @BulldogLowell I fried my breadbord power supply by connecting broken power adaptor(it have me about 13-14V instead of up to 12V), this fried AMS1117 5V. I replaced it, and it's working proper again.

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