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💬 Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors

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  • sundberg84S sundberg84

    @Woodside all files should be posted @ openhsrdware.io. Is this some special file?

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    @sundberg84 The only file type I can find on openhardware.io for the schematic is a pdf. DIPTrace is a schematic and PCB layout tool and uses .sch format for the schematic files. It cannot import a schematic layout from a pdf.

    I was hoping to use DIPTrace to update the schematic for my projects using the EasyPCB and then transfer the result onto the board.

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      @sundberg84 The only file type I can find on openhardware.io for the schematic is a pdf. DIPTrace is a schematic and PCB layout tool and uses .sch format for the schematic files. It cannot import a schematic layout from a pdf.

      I was hoping to use DIPTrace to update the schematic for my projects using the EasyPCB and then transfer the result onto the board.

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      sundberg84
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      @Woodside - you are correct, I have forgotten to update the Kicad Files. I have uploaded them all now - but... when I last made changes to these I upgraded from Kicad 4 to Kicad 5 which created some rescue/convert files. This made things very confusing with all the files and some things was not working properly if you didnt have all rescue files. There is a sch file - I hope it works for you.

      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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        kiesel
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        Is there a video of how to solder the signing chip? Because from what I can see there is a connection to be made right in the middle of the chip and I am not sure how to.

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        • sundberg84S sundberg84

          @Woodside - you are correct, I have forgotten to update the Kicad Files. I have uploaded them all now - but... when I last made changes to these I upgraded from Kicad 4 to Kicad 5 which created some rescue/convert files. This made things very confusing with all the files and some things was not working properly if you didnt have all rescue files. There is a sch file - I hope it works for you.

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          @sundberg84 Thankyou

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            Is there a video of how to solder the signing chip? Because from what I can see there is a connection to be made right in the middle of the chip and I am not sure how to.

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            sundberg84
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            @kiesel - sorry, no video of this available at the moment. I made one some time ago but my HD crashed so I lost all my video of a project i made with signing. Maybe I have some left on the videocamera - I will check tonight.

            What do you mean with "connection in the middle"? I know there was a fault in the old gerbers with D6 not connecting to the arduino but this was fixed in May so if you have new boards it should be fine. Make a continuity test from SCK (Pin6 on signing chip) to D6 on the arduino.

            Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
            RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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            • K kiesel

              Is there a video of how to solder the signing chip? Because from what I can see there is a connection to be made right in the middle of the chip and I am not sure how to.

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              Anticimex
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              @kiesel It is a SOT23 if I remember correctly. There are only 3 pins, no pad underneath so soldering should be easy.
              Perhaps the copper you see is part of a ground plane? It will not connect to the signing chip in any case.

              Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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              • AnticimexA Anticimex

                @kiesel It is a SOT23 if I remember correctly. There are only 3 pins, no pad underneath so soldering should be easy.
                Perhaps the copper you see is part of a ground plane? It will not connect to the signing chip in any case.

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                sundberg84
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                @Anticimex @kiesel - yes, you are right - i mixed it up with the flash chip. Signing should be good - no issues reported (i have had several boards myself working fine).

                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                  @Anticimex ,@sundberg84

                  Thanks for the help, I think I was looking at the wrong chip. The one I considered byuing had 6 legs, not only 3. I was thrown off by the easypcb having what appears to be 7 soldering points in the signing area.

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                    @Anticimex ,@sundberg84

                    Thanks for the help, I think I was looking at the wrong chip. The one I considered byuing had 6 legs, not only 3. I was thrown off by the easypcb having what appears to be 7 soldering points in the signing area.

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                    Anticimex
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                    @kiesel Beware that I believe the 6 leg chip is I2C which is not supported. Only the 3 leg SWI variant is supported.

                    Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                      I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. But it seems right to me :)
                      Hi I have e few of the Easy/Newbie-pcb working for some time with good effort. One of them even in a shed at 20 - 25 meters in the garden which is fairly good isolated. Sending Temp/Hum/battery level. And the Gateway is in the house on the first floor behind a door in a wardrobe.

                      Now I have a second shed which is behind the fist shed. Also very good isolated. The pcb I have in there is not reaching the gateway (it did before until the battery was empty).
                      Can I have the pcb in the first shed also working as an extender, so the second pcb will be able to send out topics to the gateway as well? What to add to my code to achieve that?

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                        I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. But it seems right to me :)
                        Hi I have e few of the Easy/Newbie-pcb working for some time with good effort. One of them even in a shed at 20 - 25 meters in the garden which is fairly good isolated. Sending Temp/Hum/battery level. And the Gateway is in the house on the first floor behind a door in a wardrobe.

                        Now I have a second shed which is behind the fist shed. Also very good isolated. The pcb I have in there is not reaching the gateway (it did before until the battery was empty).
                        Can I have the pcb in the first shed also working as an extender, so the second pcb will be able to send out topics to the gateway as well? What to add to my code to achieve that?

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                        Nca78
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                        @Mr_sensor said in 💬 Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors:

                        Can I have the pcb in the first shed also working as an extender, so the second pcb will be able to send out topics to the gateway as well? What to add to my code to achieve that?

                        Hello,
                        you must program it to be a repeater. Of course it will need to have radio on all the time, so it cannot be battery-powered.
                        https://www.mysensors.org/download/sensor_api_20#create-repeating-nodes

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                          I'm thinking about switching to RFM69 with some of my nodes. From what I saw, RFM69 uses the same pins as nrf24l01 (except for pin 9 on Arduino). So, theoretically, would it be possible to connect the RFM69 to the nrf24l01 Easy PCB board (Rev 10) — of course, I will not fit directly and I have to create some adapter. But it should be possible, right?

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                            I'm thinking about switching to RFM69 with some of my nodes. From what I saw, RFM69 uses the same pins as nrf24l01 (except for pin 9 on Arduino). So, theoretically, would it be possible to connect the RFM69 to the nrf24l01 Easy PCB board (Rev 10) — of course, I will not fit directly and I have to create some adapter. But it should be possible, right?

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                            sundberg84
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                            @benhub - hello!
                            You need some sort of adapter, the use similar pins but not in the same order/layout.
                            Here is a suggestion for adapter: https://www.openhardware.io/view/601/NRF24-to-RFM69-converter

                            But... you know there is a RFM version of the EasyPCB right?
                            https://www.openhardware.io/view/389/EasyNewbie-PCB-RFM69-HWW-edition-for-MySensors

                            Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                            RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                            • sundberg84S sundberg84

                              @benhub - hello!
                              You need some sort of adapter, the use similar pins but not in the same order/layout.
                              Here is a suggestion for adapter: https://www.openhardware.io/view/601/NRF24-to-RFM69-converter

                              But... you know there is a RFM version of the EasyPCB right?
                              https://www.openhardware.io/view/389/EasyNewbie-PCB-RFM69-HWW-edition-for-MySensors

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                              benhub
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                              @sundberg84 Cool! Thanks for your quick response!

                              But... you know there is a RFM version of the EasyPCB right?

                              Yes, I know, but I already have nrf24 boards at home which I want to use too. So cool that it should be possible.

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                                @sundberg84 Cool! Thanks for your quick response!

                                But... you know there is a RFM version of the EasyPCB right?

                                Yes, I know, but I already have nrf24 boards at home which I want to use too. So cool that it should be possible.

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                                sundberg84
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                                @benhub - ok, there are some things you need to consider, and that is the space of the adapter.
                                I read now i "suggested" this adapter, but let me clear it it is not tested, maybe a language barrier from my side.

                                You need to consider that it fits in the board and do not crash into other compontens, like the arduino.
                                If it does, you maybe need to consider some other board or even build one.

                                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                    koumac77
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                                    Hello,

                                    I want to dive in home automation using home assistant and MySensors DIY modules
                                    I decided to order your boards from pcbway.com but when I select it, there is sql error
                                    I discussed with their support but they were not able to find your PCB....
                                    Can you give me an url link to order your 10x PCB from them ?
                                    Thanks a lot for your design/support.
                                    JC

                                    I am looking for the Nrf24l01+ edition of EasyPCB
                                    but could you tell me if It would be better to go with the RFM69 transceiver version ?
                                    What are the pro and cons for Nrf24l01+ and RFM69 transceiver ?
                                    Could there be a problem with WIFI objects using Nrf24l01+ ?

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                                      koumac77
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                                      After new exchanges with PCBWay support,
                                      problem fixed : i was able to order the 10x PCBEasy from PCBWay store.

                                      Hoping to have some answers for best choice between Nrf24l01+ and RFM69 transceivers.
                                      I am in France

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                                        mickecarlsson
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                                        What version of the PCB did you order? The NRF24 or the RFM69?
                                        I used the NRF24 but found it very unreliable and swapped all my sensors to RFM69.
                                        As almost every NRF24 from china is fake you will find out that the range between sensor and gateway is a couple of meters.
                                        The RFM69 (on 868 MHz) will have a range up to 50 meters and above. If used indoors it will easy go over 30 meters.

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                                          What version of the PCB did you order? The NRF24 or the RFM69?
                                          I used the NRF24 but found it very unreliable and swapped all my sensors to RFM69.
                                          As almost every NRF24 from china is fake you will find out that the range between sensor and gateway is a couple of meters.
                                          The RFM69 (on 868 MHz) will have a range up to 50 meters and above. If used indoors it will easy go over 30 meters.

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                                          koumac77
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                                          @mickecarlsson , thanks for your answer and help

                                          I ordered the NRF24 version
                                          So , will cancel it and order RFM69 version

                                          Cheers,
                                          JC

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