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    Mrlynx
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    #14

    Arduino nano makes its 3,3V from the ft232RL chip. According to its specs it can give 50 ma maximum current.
    http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/ICs/DS_FT232R.pdf
    NRF24L01+PA+LNA can use up to 115 ma in tx. http://www.electrokit.com/tradlos-nrf24l01-2-4g-modul-med-pa-och-lna.49982.
    I think that to use a NRF24L01+PA+LNA on a nano requires a separate LDO 5->3,3V regulator.

    http://www.sa2avr.se

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      jocke4u
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      #15

      Thank you for all your answers.
      I think I have a couple of "AMS1117 5V-3.3V Step Down Module" (or similar) that I can connect to a USB charger. Need to verify though.
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/261172232237 says "output: 3.3 V, 800 mA"

      Some hacks to do :)

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        #16

        Hi again,
        First I would like to thank you all for the support/ideas etc and I really want to get sensors stable and reliable. Sure this EnergyMeterPulseSensor is not the most critical one and sure the sketch can be improved not to loose KWH readings/accumulations (Watts is a snapshot) when send fails. But with more critical sensors where something else is triggered.
        Anyway, since I have problem with the EnergyMeterPulseSensor sending data (not counting pulses) I need to get that working and set the "foundation" for future sensors. Sure I have some other test sensors...

        Yesterday I took the following actions.
        EnergyMeterPulseSensor

        • Reverted back to NRF24L01+ due to lower power consumtion
        • Still using 47 uF capacitor to radio power
        • Reverted back to the standard code with gw.begin(incomingMessage); (not using RF24_PA_LOW)

        Gateway

        • Still using NRF24L01+PA+LNA
        • Still using 47 uF capacitor to radio power
        • Added AMS1117 5V-3.3V Step Down Module connected to a separate USB charger feeding the radio
        • Reverted back to the standard code with gw.begin(); not using RF24_PA_LOW

        But unfortunately no success.

        So I wonder what you have as hardware reference architecture;

        • Do you have a verified and reliable solution?
        • What components do you use?
        • What working distance do you have between gateway-sensors ?

        Regards
        Joacim

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        • jocke4uJ jocke4u

          Hi again,
          First I would like to thank you all for the support/ideas etc and I really want to get sensors stable and reliable. Sure this EnergyMeterPulseSensor is not the most critical one and sure the sketch can be improved not to loose KWH readings/accumulations (Watts is a snapshot) when send fails. But with more critical sensors where something else is triggered.
          Anyway, since I have problem with the EnergyMeterPulseSensor sending data (not counting pulses) I need to get that working and set the "foundation" for future sensors. Sure I have some other test sensors...

          Yesterday I took the following actions.
          EnergyMeterPulseSensor

          • Reverted back to NRF24L01+ due to lower power consumtion
          • Still using 47 uF capacitor to radio power
          • Reverted back to the standard code with gw.begin(incomingMessage); (not using RF24_PA_LOW)

          Gateway

          • Still using NRF24L01+PA+LNA
          • Still using 47 uF capacitor to radio power
          • Added AMS1117 5V-3.3V Step Down Module connected to a separate USB charger feeding the radio
          • Reverted back to the standard code with gw.begin(); not using RF24_PA_LOW

          But unfortunately no success.

          So I wonder what you have as hardware reference architecture;

          • Do you have a verified and reliable solution?
          • What components do you use?
          • What working distance do you have between gateway-sensors ?

          Regards
          Joacim

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          RJ_Make
          Hero Member
          wrote on last edited by
          #17

          @jocke4u
          Have you tried MySensors 1.3b yet?

          RJ_Make

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          • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

            @jocke4u
            Have you tried MySensors 1.3b yet?

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            jocke4u
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            #18

            @ServiceXp
            I have had 1.3b before but without capacitor etc.
            Maybe time to go back to 1.3b3, to see if that works better.

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            • jocke4uJ jocke4u

              @ServiceXp
              I have had 1.3b before but without capacitor etc.
              Maybe time to go back to 1.3b3, to see if that works better.

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              RJ_Make
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              @jocke4u
              At least In my environment, I had zero communication problems with v1.3. Can't say that about 1.4.

              RJ_Make

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              • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

                @jocke4u
                At least In my environment, I had zero communication problems with v1.3. Can't say that about 1.4.

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                Yveaux
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                #20

                @ServiceXp said:

                Can't say that about 1.4.

                Do you mean you're having problems with 1.4 then or did you just not have any experience with it yet?

                http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                  jocke4u
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                  #21

                  DAMN :( :(
                  I think dataMine played a prank on me and the statistic is probably not correct (not logging everything). Will hook in my MQTT monitor to extract statistics in a way I control it.
                  Currently I am running 1.3b3 and will run a test sensor for a while to see how it's works and then eventually go for 1.4 again.
                  Thanks for your support and I have learnt more about power and capacitors :)

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                  • YveauxY Yveaux

                    @ServiceXp said:

                    Can't say that about 1.4.

                    Do you mean you're having problems with 1.4 then or did you just not have any experience with it yet?

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                    RJ_Make
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                    @Yveaux
                    I think both.. The radio problems I had drove me crazy, and then there's still the temps not converting to F using the existing 1.4b library. Which is not a big problem thanks to @hek help.

                    I literately had zero issues with the 1.3b library.

                    RJ_Make

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                    • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

                      @Yveaux
                      I think both.. The radio problems I had drove me crazy, and then there's still the temps not converting to F using the existing 1.4b library. Which is not a big problem thanks to @hek help.

                      I literately had zero issues with the 1.3b library.

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                      #23

                      @ServiceXp I'm not aware of any major issues with 1.4 at the moment and @hek is about to tag it. If you are really having (radio) issues related to 1.4 we should fix them asap.

                      http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                      • YveauxY Yveaux

                        @ServiceXp I'm not aware of any major issues with 1.4 at the moment and @hek is about to tag it. If you are really having (radio) issues related to 1.4 we should fix them asap.

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                        #24

                        @Yveaux

                        At this point I think I found the solution, but have not built up another test bed to make sure the solution worked. The temp conversion problem is persistent,

                        http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/309/1-4b-radio-transmission-problem-not-present-in-1-3b

                        RJ_Make

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                        • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

                          @Yveaux

                          At this point I think I found the solution, but have not built up another test bed to make sure the solution worked. The temp conversion problem is persistent,

                          http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/309/1-4b-radio-transmission-problem-not-present-in-1-3b

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                          #25

                          @ServiceXp you said in this post:

                          That was it!!!!! I tried 22uF, was still doggie, so I thought why not move up to 47uF wink and what do you know, that seems to be the winning value. I have some more testing, but looking pretty good so far.

                          This sounds to me that the issue is solved...
                          I can imagine that 1.4 requires a bigger cap while 1.3 doesn't. 1.4 uses auto acknowledge which can send burst packets. This could put a bigger load on your power supply.

                          http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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