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Time awareness and scheduling events

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  • korttomaK korttoma

    @korttoma said:

    @hek I ordered a few of these -> http://www.ebay.com/itm/191276972230 hoping they can serve the same purpose.

    I have now been playing with one of these for a few hour and I really like it. Running an LCD and TinyRTC on the same I2C bus and it is working fine.
    Need some more time on the sketch before I mount everything in a box. The goal is a scene controller
    / clock / info display by the bed.
    I was thinking of adding the knock sensor as a "clapper" device but I don't think I can pull of the code so that it would keep updating the clock as often as I would like.

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    @korttoma

    Yes, received mine yesterday but haven't had time to play with it yet.
    The DS3231 I got seems to have a build-in temp-sensor also.

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      Probably not something you need guys, but something i did the other day - a sketch to request the time from Vera and set an RTC.

      My requirement is to keep the RTC synced when daylight saving changes, so sync would be at 2:01 Sundays.

      https://codebender.cc/sketch:48244

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      • greglG gregl

        Probably not something you need guys, but something i did the other day - a sketch to request the time from Vera and set an RTC.

        My requirement is to keep the RTC synced when daylight saving changes, so sync would be at 2:01 Sundays.

        https://codebender.cc/sketch:48244

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        @gregl

        Thanks @gregl, was just about to create something similar :)

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          No prob... you can remove the bugs ive added ;-)

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            Thanks! @GREGL I find it useful also for my project.

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              I would suggest to sync times a little bit more because if i remember correct the 1307 is quite sensitive for drifting because of temperature, if it would drift 3 seconds a day would be around 16 minutes a year, the DS3231 compansates this with the build in temp sensor.

              But i could be incorrect, but, update your rtc more often anyway ;)

              My Domotica project: http://www.pidome.org

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                #23

                Just tried the DS3232RTC library from the examples provided by @hek and it seems like the RTC I2C DS1307 AT24C32 (link to device in earlier post) I have is working happily with this library also. I guess all the features of the library does not work but since the features on my device are working I will stick with this lib since it is provided by MySensors.

                Maybe you should try it out to @gregl

                BTW!, the RTC I have seems to drift quite allot (~1s/h) so I would not recommend it to someone that needs accuracy.

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                  All - help me understand the use-case for a RTC on a sensor please.

                  From the discussion above I get that we might have two different needs:

                  • really high accuracy
                  • a second (or few seconds) deviation are acceptable

                  We lose accuracy in RF transmission already, therefore fetching the time on the controller or gateway and sending it to the nodes is not appropriate for the high accuracy need. A RTC would not help in this case because you need to tell the RTC the current time to start with and if that's already inaccurate, you won't get the accuracy needed. The only way to get real accuracy would be to fetch it on the node directly e.g. with a DCF77 receiver.
                  For the "less accuracy needed" scenario why would you add hardware to the node if receiving a time broadcast from the controller every x minutes is good enough to get the required (lower) accuracy "in software" without the need for hardware?

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                    You would be better of with an http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/digital/real-time-clocks/DS3231.html which has a theoretically drift between 1 and 2 minutes a year (depending on operating temperatures).If i'm correct it uses the internal temp sensor for drift compensation (and could also be read?).

                    My Domotica project: http://www.pidome.org

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                    • T ToSa

                      All - help me understand the use-case for a RTC on a sensor please.

                      From the discussion above I get that we might have two different needs:

                      • really high accuracy
                      • a second (or few seconds) deviation are acceptable

                      We lose accuracy in RF transmission already, therefore fetching the time on the controller or gateway and sending it to the nodes is not appropriate for the high accuracy need. A RTC would not help in this case because you need to tell the RTC the current time to start with and if that's already inaccurate, you won't get the accuracy needed. The only way to get real accuracy would be to fetch it on the node directly e.g. with a DCF77 receiver.
                      For the "less accuracy needed" scenario why would you add hardware to the node if receiving a time broadcast from the controller every x minutes is good enough to get the required (lower) accuracy "in software" without the need for hardware?

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                      @ToSa said:

                      All - help me understand the use-case for a RTC on a sensor please.

                      If your mains powered watering node has a power failure (restarts) and loses connection to controller.

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                        All - help me understand the use-case for a RTC on a sensor please.

                        http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/284/simple-temp-light-time-setup-with-lcd-1-4-no-beta-anymore

                        Time currently is being pushed every minute by the device created on the controller to "the display" (It has no RTC now). When it fails to receive the new time it would then be standing still. So it is nice to have without power failure.

                        My Domotica project: http://www.pidome.org

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                          All - help me understand the use-case for a RTC on a sensor please.

                          http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/284/simple-temp-light-time-setup-with-lcd-1-4-no-beta-anymore

                          Time currently is being pushed every minute by the device created on the controller to "the display" (It has no RTC now). When it fails to receive the new time it would then be standing still. So it is nice to have without power failure.

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                          @hek @John
                          using the "time.h" library on the node the time will continue to run. It will not be very accurate (as accurate as the "millis" in arduino) which should be sufficient to turn off the water after 15 minutes (no matter if that's a few seconds off) and good enough to let the clock tick further unless the next successful submission is received from the controller.

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                            @hek @John
                            using the "time.h" library on the node the time will continue to run. It will not be very accurate (as accurate as the "millis" in arduino) which should be sufficient to turn off the water after 15 minutes (no matter if that's a few seconds off) and good enough to let the clock tick further unless the next successful submission is received from the controller.

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                            @ToSa
                            True, I personally will be using some self build wall clocks, and the display will get a bigger role in our household, so it would be nice to keep track of time as close as possible.

                            My Domotica project: http://www.pidome.org

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                              @ToSa
                              In my use case its a pool controller I use a rtc to do several things..but the desire to sync is really just to adjust for daylight savings changes.

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