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Why continue to use NRF24L01?

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  • AnticimexA Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
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    You will also find out that there is a limit in your WiFI AP(s) on how many nodes you can handle simultaneously.

    Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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      I'm using the NRF24L01 for my setup because I don't want my "security grid" to go offline if my router for example breaks down. Next to that it's safer in my eyes to keep the 2 networks separated. It's easier to hack a wifi network than your own custom build security network.

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        You could still do that with a separate WiFi router, right? I am starting to think about a new system that will have a dedicated router for my "things".

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        • neechN neech

          You could still do that with a separate WiFi router, right? I am starting to think about a new system that will have a dedicated router for my "things".

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          @neech Sure.

          Depending on your router you could even make a different VLAN with a different SSID and keep it seperated in this way. Only allow the most essential ports from one network to the other.

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            You could still do that with a separate WiFi router, right? I am starting to think about a new system that will have a dedicated router for my "things".

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            @neech I'm extending my local Intranet Of Things eco-system, my conclusion is the same as yours. I'll be adding a separate local router. By that I'm also creating a DMZ, which will make it harder for hackers to get to my local network. And I'll be able to add a VPN in the DMZ. With the VPN I'll be able to connect to my local network when I'm not at home.

            Since I already want an extra router, I'll have no extra costs when I'll be adding some ESP8266 sensors. But my point is, that most people don't know how to add an extra router, besides it adds cost at least 100 dollar or more your solution. I haven't checked how much cheaper the ESP8266 is, but you'll have to take the extra cost for purchasing an extra router and the power consumption of that router into account. How many NRF24L01 sensors can you build for that kind of money?

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              What about battery power? Is it on par with nrf24 and rfm69 with respect to power consumption?

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                It is true that the NRF24L01 use a lot less power (apparently). I haven't used them so I would be concerned about the range of these types of devices? How many gateways would I have to build to cover my whole home?

                On the Ethernet side, I am looking to do smart outlets: for that the ESP8266 makes sense because I could use the 120VAC power and convert it to 5VDC with a pretty small board using one of those transformer-less DC power supplies.

                Maybe I'll test both scenarios before scaling up.

                Thanks,
                neech

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                  You only need one GW. If nodes are out of reach, use relay nodes. That's the whole point. The radios provide a mesh network.

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                  • neechN neech

                    It is true that the NRF24L01 use a lot less power (apparently). I haven't used them so I would be concerned about the range of these types of devices? How many gateways would I have to build to cover my whole home?

                    On the Ethernet side, I am looking to do smart outlets: for that the ESP8266 makes sense because I could use the 120VAC power and convert it to 5VDC with a pretty small board using one of those transformer-less DC power supplies.

                    Maybe I'll test both scenarios before scaling up.

                    Thanks,
                    neech

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                    @neech The first answer is 1 Gateway. Depending on the size of your house you might need some repeater nodes. But you could also use the radio's with the larger antenna's. I have one larger antenna which is currently mounted to my Gateway. I installed it recently. Didn't have any troubles concerning the distance. But I'm planning on building a weather station. It just a better safe than sorry thing.

                    For smart IoT devices a Pi or Pi zero would make much more sense than an ESP8266. At least in my opinion. Until this moment I'm more than happy with the NRF24L01+ wouldn't change it.

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                      here is someone that did a test: https://hallard.me/nrf24l01-real-life-range-test/

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                        Another option, would be to go with rfm69.. It's sub gHz, so it would have longer range (Even compared to esp8266). Power consumption is equal to nrf24 (as far as I know).

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